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Killa4luv
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12/3/2005  4:18 PM
-Flip replaced 95% of the offensive scemes the pistons use.
-Freed them up on offense and let the players do more things.

In a nutshell was implying LB was not very good on the offensive side of the ball, his offense is too restrictive and players' strenths are not utilized to their fullest potential. He said they are now averaging ALOT more ppg than they were before. He said the defense has slipped a little, but the o is vastly improved.

I found it very interesting, considering I felt that way about our start.
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12/3/2005  4:29 PM
Well, if Flip never wins a championship with them, all that means nothing, b/c lb won one and took them to the finals 2 times. He turns Chauncey into the player he is now, along with Rip. Sorry, but those teams had a very underrated offense and they utilized their strengths perfectly. And they hit big baskets, played big time defense and that's what won them games.
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12/3/2005  4:34 PM
it also could mean that lb has taken them as far as they could go fundamentally and that the players wanted more offensive freedom. lb could wear out his welcome here a few years from now as well (as he's done everywhere) but right now, we have to listen to what he says.

at least he's not van gundy-esque on the offensive end. then we'd be...ummm....3-11
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12/3/2005  4:35 PM
I don't mean this to be snide, for all i know flip and the Pistons will win 5 straight championships. But right now, we have brown, and he's a top 10 coach of all time, and has won championships in the NCAA, ABA, and NBA while Flip is perennially flipping channels during the playoffs.

Who cares what Flip is doing over there? Over here he'd probably have marbury still taking his massages rather than scrimmaging and trying to get all our players to take jumpshots to fit with Steph;s game.

I for one wanted a ball busting coach who'd emphasis defense and selflessness first, to break down egos and bad habits, to break us down before he builds us back up, and to give everyone a shot at earning their spot on the roster and in the rotation. if LB wants to use methods that look, from the outside, like madness, I'm okay with that, especially in the first season, let alone the first 15 games.

Kudos to Flip for getting a well honed machine off to a nice start, but I wouldn't trade LB for him and his offense even with a year of all I can eat at White Castle thrown in.
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12/3/2005  4:37 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

even with a year of all I can eat at White Castle thrown in.

even a crave case a day? that's a BOLD statement...

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12/3/2005  4:52 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

In a nutshell was implying LB was not very good on the offensive side of the ball, his offense is too restrictive and players' strenths are not utilized to their fullest potential.

I guess we know why Bill is commentating instead of head coaching. What a dumb thing to say about a team that won a Championship and came within a Wallace rotation of a second.
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12/3/2005  5:05 PM
I can't believe none of you heard this. That Knicks pe-game show is pretty good, I'm gonna start listening before every game. They have interviews on there that we don't get on TV. They had Camby on for like 20 minutes before the Denver game too.
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12/3/2005  7:11 PM
Some team stats for the Pistons of 2005 under Larry Brown, and the 2006 edition so far under Saunders. poss/g is possessions per game, o-eff is offensive efficiency (points scored per 100 possessions), and d-eff is defensive efficiency (points allowed per 100 possessions). diff is differential between o-eff and d-eff. The numbers in parantheses are league rankings.


poss/g o-eff d-eff diff
2005 87.2 (30) 106.0 (16) 100.8 (3) +5.2
2006 87.6 (26) 113.4 (2) 105.4 (18) +8.0


And for the Knicks of last year vs so far this year:


poss/g o-eff d-eff diff
2005 90.7 (17) 105.9 (17) 109.2 (25) -3.3
2006 91.8 (13) 100.4 (26) 104.6 (17) -4.2
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12/3/2005  8:45 PM
Posted by tomverve:

And for the Knicks of last year vs so far this year:


poss/g o-eff d-eff diff
2005 90.7 (17) 105.9 (17) 109.2 (25) -3.3
2006 91.8 (13) 100.4 (26) 104.6 (17) -4.2

Well, what these stats do is backup the obvious, the Pistons are off to a better start this year then last, while we are off to a worse one. Guess that means they were right to dump Brown and we were fools to dump Lenny...

Or maybe something else is at play?

Difficult adjustment for Marbury
Friday, November 11, 2005
BY DAVID WALDSTEIN
Star-Ledger Staff


"It's kind of tough for me to get going in that sense," Marbury said. "But that's not important right now. Eventually it will swing around for me. All I'm trying to do is run the team, get us in sets and make sure we get a good shot every time down the court."

Brown lamented the Knicks' lack of organization on offense and pointed out that even a rookie like Channing Frye could see it going helter skelter. Brown said Frye approached him at the airport after Wednesday's loss and said, "Coach, it's amazing. When things get tough, instead of us slowing it down and executing to get a good set, very rarely do we get in good position to run a play."

Brown has become so uncertain about what his players can do, that he said he will pare down the Knicks' playbook to just a handful of sets. He already has taken to calling plays from the bench, something he hates doing, and on fastbreak opportunities he will limit them to two options.

In practice, before games and in timeouts, Brown has been hammering home his most basic tenets in the hope that repetition will lead to execution.

"If you say it a hundred times, you've got to say it a thousand times until they get it," he said. "I want to be specific so there's no indecision at all. That's what I told them again today. We're going to limit the things we do."

Strip it down, and start from the beginning.

As Brown keeps saying, it's a work in progress.


Take it easy fellas, this is a low IQ team. Brown started with a more complex offense that well schooled rookies saw was breaking down in the hands of our do-it-yourselfer PGs.


Remember this? The knicks couldn't even recognize how to defend against their own plays:

Maurice Cheeks is Using Larry Brown's Playbook

This is a quote from Howard Beck's New York Times article about last night's Philadelphia-New York preseason game:

Even more troubling Tuesday was that the 76ers, coached by Maurice Cheeks, a Brown protégé, were running the same plays that Brown had been teaching the Knicks for two weeks.
"We even call it the same thing," Brown said. "And we practice against it, we talk about how to defend it. And then I watched last night, we didn't defend any of that stuff. Maybe we're not executing it ourselves, so that when we play against it, we're not prepared to stop it."



Our boys are having a hard enough time learning the defensive rotations and limited playbook. When they show mastery over some basics Brown will add plays.

Lets just get one thing straight here, Larry is the mensa on this team, his brain is NOT the weakest link in the chain. You want to fault him for something maybe it should be that he expected too much from our boys, that he wasn't prepared to dumb it down enough from the get-go.



[Edited by - BlueSeats on 12-03-2005 8:45 PM]
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12/3/2005  9:08 PM
I wasn't faulting Larry at all. Just giving the numbers.
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12/3/2005  9:20 PM
Posted by tomverve:

I wasn't faulting Larry at all. Just giving the numbers.

Didn't mean to suggest you were, just anticipating how some might take such stats, and explaining why our offense is a limited as it is.

Bill Laimbeer on the radio before the game

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