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djsunyc
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12/2/2005  1:55 PM
Don't be fooled by Knicks' slow start
By John Carroll

As Larry Brown returns to Detroit as coach of the New York Knicks, it's a good time to evaluate how he's doing with his new team.


In New York, unlike in Detroit, Larry is starting from scratch, more or less, to change the culture of how to work and how to play. The entire roster is new to New York since two years ago, and few of the Knicks have had any playoff success.



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Larry Brown's dream job has proven to be one tough gig.
Larry has worked hard since training camp to impress upon his players the importance of playing the game as a team at both ends of the floor. As he said when hired in late July, "You have to share the ball, or play unselfishly. You've got to try to guard, make an effort to the best of your ability. You have to rebound the ball. And you have to play smart and have fun." Larry has been able to get his players to do those things with each of the seven previous NBA teams he has coached.

One example of Brown's handiwork is Detroit point guard Chauncey Billups. Larry is known for being hard on his players, especially his point guards. Yet Billups flourished under Brown's tutelage. He went from being a good player to a great player.

Billups always had the talent, but Larry took Chauncey to another level. So when Billups speaks about Brown coaching the Knicks, the current Knicks players should listen.


Billups recently has said, "I told Stephon [Marbury] in the summer that LB is going to make your team much better. You won't know that until later in the season. Early it's going to be a struggle because of what he's trying to implement and how he implements it.

"He'll break you all the way down before you get built up. That's how he coaches; that's how he is. They're going to have some struggles. But they will be a better team. Trust me."

Chauncey, I trust you. I can see it happening in New York already. The Knicks have had some early season struggles. Larry has had to change the entire defensive mind-set and impress upon Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Quentin Richardson, and all the younger players the importance of defense. But New York has won three straight home games and on Wednesday night in the Garden, the Knicks held the Chicago Bulls scoreless in the first five minutes of the fourth quarter, allowing only 19 points total in that quarter to come away with a 109-101 win.

Larry has had his battles with several of his key players, in particular his three primary guards. He has been trying to teach Marbury the importance of running a team, defending at a much higher level, and distributing the ball. He wants to recognize the importance of shot selection and defensive toughness. Rookie Nate Robinson has a lot to learn, according to Brown, about taking care of the ball and decision making. None has ideal point guard instincts, but on this Knicks team, each needs to be able to play the position.

In their win over the Bulls, Marbury had 18 points, eight assists and five rebounds. Crawford had 28 points on 8-for-14 shooting from the field and 10-for-10 from the free throw line.

In an unexpected move, especially given his reputation, Brown started two of his three rookies, and they both delivered. Robinson had 14 points and no turnovers, and Channing Frye had 21 points and eight rebounds.

This was only one game, but this would not have happened earlier in the season and it would not have happened without Brown molding this team into his vision.

Brown's players are not only getting it, they gush in their praise and admiration for their coach.

Robinson said after the game, "It's an honor to play for him, that's the best way I can put it. He's hard on you, but he's always trying to make you better."

And Brown and Crawford seemed to have a newfound rapport after the Chicago win. Brown acknowledged he has been hard on Jamal, but said, "That's the best he has defended since I've been here."

Brown was also delighted when Crawford came down on a fast break late in the game and pulled the ball out to milk the clock as opposed to jacking up a quick shot. Crawford replied after the game, "It's nice to rise to the occasion when coach is on you. You want to make coach proud."

During the fourth quarter, the Garden was abuzz as the Knicks played the way Larry has been teaching them. They played defense, rebounded and were smart and unselfish on offense.

No one is delusional; the Knicks are not winning a championship this season. They are a work in progress. However, they are in the weakest division in the NBA. It would not surprise me to see them make a late run in the Atlantic. They are the one team, because of Brown, that will make the most improvement from November to April. With Brown in charge, his players will get better, and his team will get better. Trust me.


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12/2/2005  2:04 PM
great read. Its been frustrating at times and I for one tend to (over) demand perfection but I said before the season started that if we could establish the young players and a style of play it would be a successfull season regardless of the wins and losses and we are on our way to doing that.
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12/2/2005  2:10 PM
Posted by fishmike:

great read. Its been frustrating at times and I for one tend to (over) demand perfection but I said before the season started that if we could establish the young players and a style of play it would be a successfull season regardless of the wins and losses and we are on our way to doing that.

I kept saying that and you kept saying that this year was essential because of all the money put into the team. Geez
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12/2/2005  2:13 PM
these slow start articles are getting redundant. its winning time
"We need another shot blocker and we need more girth in the middle, once that happens we have a chance to be a pretty decent team" Isiah on draft night
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12/2/2005  2:22 PM
Hard to win with crap, but Brown just might do it.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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12/2/2005  2:27 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

great read. Its been frustrating at times and I for one tend to (over) demand perfection but I said before the season started that if we could establish the young players and a style of play it would be a successfull season regardless of the wins and losses and we are on our way to doing that.

I kept saying that and you kept saying that this year was essential because of all the money put into the team. Geez
I said to management. I said 100 times that management has a goal to win now to them this season is essential. I said that this team is SUPPOSED to WIN NOW and the moves they have made are either proof of that or proof they are idiots.

Gee whiz

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12/2/2005  2:27 PM
DJ.. link por favor?
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12/2/2005  2:31 PM
Good to see some people are getting it in the media.

As the leader in the win-loss catagory in the game picker I perhaps more than most am not surprised by the slow start. But please don't even think I am boasting, nor do I imagine winning this thing thru the season! Im not that good. Actually, a few times I let my emotions get to me and changed at the last minute form a loss to win and was inccorect!

Its going to get much tougher because I expect the team on some nites to play great and surprise, and fall apart on others. Its not instinct!

TO that effect, we are not as desperate to make trades as our deficiencies are not quite evident. By that, we might still see much imporvement in Reezy at the SF, and should Craw and Marbs continue to improve it will lessen our need for a "snow" type point.

We get Eddie and Lame James back and will have to adjust again to them being in the game. Expect growing pains as they get in the flow.

While AD looks bad a times, he has been an active body doing a good job. Frye looks great in comparison, but realize AD's effectivness, as well as Rose's makes his (frye's) job easier.

I have seen about every game thus far and think the Digi-recorder makes it easier. I might sit down at 10 pm and start the game. I blew thru the miami game as I won't sit thru a blow out. I might fast forward if time is short!

But unlike previous years, the loses with this team is interesting because of the "Brown Movement" and tutoring that makes the game interesting. Seeing frye emerge has been great! I hope Eddy can get back into shape and see his game elevate.

Wins are nice, but except for miami we don't see the blow out as we did in the past, and Marbs selfish moments have led to his sitting and learing! He is buying into the system and once we get more wins, he will be even further recognized which will help his confidence and smooth the ego!

Winning can be a good thing!

Give me a few jumpshots by reezy, and we good at the SF too! This kid is so instinctive that the Larry game must be making him very reluctant! In time, this will change.

Being able to sit guys like Q whether it be for not playing well or health is a great luxury. No more playing guys because of contracts. This is motivation!

Larry for all his crazy rotations does know what he is doing!
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12/2/2005  2:31 PM
This season is getting fun.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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12/2/2005  2:36 PM
Posted by fishmike:

DJ.. link por favor?


this is an insider article so i'm not sure the link will work:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=carroll_john&id=2244685&univLogin02=stateChanged



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12/2/2005  2:47 PM
Hard to win with crap, but Brown just might do it
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I wouldn't call the roster crap because we have a lot of good players on this team. We just need a little more Jelling time
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12/2/2005  3:01 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

great read. Its been frustrating at times and I for one tend to (over) demand perfection but I said before the season started that if we could establish the young players and a style of play it would be a successfull season regardless of the wins and losses and we are on our way to doing that.

I kept saying that and you kept saying that this year was essential because of all the money put into the team. Geez
I said to management. I said 100 times that management has a goal to win now to them this season is essential. I said that this team is SUPPOSED to WIN NOW and the moves they have made are either proof of that or proof they are idiots.

Gee whiz
As long as Isiah's here and he has long-term plans, that's the most important thing. We don't know what the upper levels (i.e., Dolan) have in mind for short- vs. long-term but I actually don't think that just because you spend a lot of money it means you're concerned only with the short-term. Maybe management put all the money into getting Brown precisely because they wanted him to teach the young players with long-term goals in mind. I know you'll bring up the JJ signing. Maybe that one piece of evidence unequivocally means the team was concerned only with the short-term. Or maybe the team simply mistakenly thought he could help in the long-term as a role player off the bench.

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12/2/2005  3:23 PM
JJ, Mo Taylor, Vin Baker are all examples of us trying to get guys that can help us right away. Also there was a public courtship of Dampier who he was looking to give Curry like money too. Sometimes it only takes a couple of moves. Hell... look at what they took on with Marbury and Crawford (JYD, Penny). Q also. All these guys were in position to produce immediate dividends. Ive ALWAYS stuck up for Isiah's ability to draft and wished from day one he would just focus on that and quit trading for retreads.

Think about how well he's drafted but just here but in Tor as well. Now think about what we would look like if he used the McDyess contract, KVH, etc to GET more picks rather than trade them. I think we would be a hell of a lot more excited than we are now. Thats because I believe 100% in Isiah's ability to draft. He gets it right plain and simple. The trades.. not so good. Anyway this is a chat for the offseason or when the deadline comes (gee... think he deals?)

Right now I'm just in enjoy and root mode and hope our guys keep playing hard and getting better
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12/2/2005  3:45 PM
Posted by Nalod:

While AD looks bad a times, he has been an active body doing a good job. Frye looks great in comparison, but realize AD's effectivness, as well as Rose's makes his (frye's) job easier.

man, I wish I could use this quote in about every other AD/Rose/Frye thread. It's right on.
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12/2/2005  8:45 PM
This team isn't exactly crap. They should be around .500 when all is said and done.
We could be the Dallas Mavs of the East.
don't be fooled by knicks' slow start (article)

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