only an idiot would say otherwise. and anybody who doesn't want him to succeed here, especially being from nyc, would be an idiot also. but what would be a great story for him and our team doesn't mean it's going to actually happen. i think steph is starting to settle down into his role here but he does not really fit with our team nor does our team fit with him. why do i say this? b/c we're a team of young players. steph is in his prime right now and has played one way his entire career. can he change? sure, anybody can. but we're still a few years away with this young core, especially if we don't make a move for another "superstar"...which i don't think we will (or at least hope we don't). so, imho, steph is a good piece for the "now" but not the future. so i'd rather turn the page now and find our pg of the future. we can start by letting craw run it and see how he does. if he's not good for us, then we find one that is. it's not about craw vs. marbury, it's about finding out if craw can do the job.

steph, to me, should be playing sg alot more than he is. and craw, to me, should be playing pg alot more than he is. but they're not. why? i have no idea b/c when they do, the team plays alot better. and if we can see it, then lb can see it. so as my spidey sense starts tingling, i think something else is going on. what exactly that is, i don't know but q starting and abandoning the dual guard roles with steph and craw just seem a little weird.

i have nothing against steph as he is an awesome talent. but my frame of mind is to build a team for a nice 10 year run like we had with ewing. and when we have that team in place, i don't want it run by a 31 year old $20 mil player. i want our payroll to be pared down as well. we're really only going to go as far as frye and curry take us. and imho, they won't be ready for prime time for another 3 years at the earliest (if ever). it doesn't sound like that's so far way, nor does 31 years of age sound old, but with steph's physical play and his bulldog body, i have questions if his ankles can hold up then. so why not turn the page now?

i don't want to throw marbury under the bus...i just want to let him out of the bus a few stops earlier than you do.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 11-30-2005 01:22 AM]

good post dj.

For me the point is threefold (I'm sure there are more if i really pressed myself):

a) I think it was you who said it, but so long as Steph is here it will be very hard for a true leader to emerge.

b) We're not going anywhere with Steph as our best player, so if by trading him we can situate ourselves better with regard to the draft or FA to give ourselves a shot at getting better than Steph, OR, if not 'better', a more complementary player for our team, then we should go for it.

c) I'm far from convinced that whatever Steph has done in his past to alienate teammates and hurt chemistry is fully in his past (in spite of purging the team of most, if not all, of his detractors; Kurt, Tim, KVH, Allan, JYD,,, who am I forgetting?). Fine, he's got tweener abilities, but is that worth the distraction?

the best player we have is marbury

only because Tim Thomas hasnt come back yet

I think Marbs can evolve and be a valuable piece of a TEAM. Not the focal point.

Sure he is set to make a mintful of money, but if he can just adjust we will be just fine!

it is proven under larry we need not have a superstar leader. Eddie might still grow into it, but my odds on favorite is Frye.

Lets not be so short sighted, this thing is gonna take 2 years at least to really gel.

Why do you care so much about how much players are paid? It's not like we're trying to get under the cap

I care becuase it's insane to pay as much money as dolan pays for marbury, you may not see anything wrong with paying 240 million dollars for a .308 record will other teams like the memphis grizzles for example pay 134 million for a .643 record, but I do. I know its not my money but its a stupid thing to do and it hinders the teams ability to better itself.



[Edited by - slimpack on 11-30-2005 10:53 AM]

btw..dj, nice long anti marb rant...it brought a tear to my ey..well, no, I stopped reading when I noticed you were gonna bash marbury.

maybe you should write a book. Oh, well, it'd only be long after losses.

Posted by rvhoss:

btw..dj, nice long anti marb rant...it brought a tear to my ey..well, no, I stopped reading when I noticed you were gonna bash marbury.

maybe you should write a book. Oh, well, it'd only be long after losses.

all i said is that i don't think marbury will be effective for us a few years from now so why not move him now when we can get something that can be a part of our long term future. it's not an anti-marb rant as i clearly said he's the best player on our team. and i understand the argument for keeping him as our pg now as well. it really is a wait and see but like i said before, i'm talking about 2007 and beyond. so it's a philosphical question for me. i'm a big "purge and delete" guy so, in my opinion, marbs isn't going to be the guy when we really are ready to conted and if that's the case, i don't want to be paying $20 mil a year for a player that's not going to be THE guy. how is that an anti-marbury rant? i probably would say the same thing about KG. he's getting alot of money and the franchise is crippled with awful contracts so they should move him also and try to replenish the talent base. will we or they ever get equal talent in return? probably not. but we do get some more flexibility by moving that big deal and may give us more chips down the road to use or move (i.e. draft picks/young players).

one thing i don't get is that allan houston was LAMBASTED for his $100 mil deal. people wanted that deal off our books as it was crippling - especially for a player that's really just a jumpshooter. but if you look at it, when h20 had to carry the franchise (02/03) - he carried them to a 37 win season. yet marbury, who gets similar dollars carried us to a 33 win season last year. what's the difference? i'm not trying to be malicious, just want to know what the difference is?

Sorry DJ, I'm usually into your posts, but I've had the flu and I was hoping to read a good pro marbs article, my disappointment led me to go nuts.

But there was no reason for Fish to attack me on two threads.



[Edited by - rvhoss on 11-30-2005 11:30 AM]

please knicks...WIN TONIGHT.

I need a good visit to UK.