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Bring in Patterson and James
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BRIGGS
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11/26/2005  10:59 AM
This is basically a NY Knick ideology,one that I'm usually not in favor with, but at this time makes a ton of sense. We need some battle-tested warriors to add to the team, and I feel we can get both for virtually nil. Patterson can be moved into the starting *3*and James can be used with Marbury in the starting line up with Crawford and Q off the bench.


Mo Taylor==18.8mm

to Portland

Patterson 13.1
Blake 1.2
3mm in cash
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17.3 differnce 1.5--they wont be able to buy him out for that cheap and they dont get a good back up PF in Taylor.

The NY Knicks also save nearly 6mm in salary and taxes


NY trades Jackie Butler, Nate Robinson and Matt Barnes to toronto for Mike James+ a 2006 2nd round pick. Let these kids play in an environment that might be more condusive for them. James WILL opt out next year--so we have a full year to decide what we would want to do, if anything, with him, but assuredly would improve the team now

these are not huge moves, the moves are cash positive towards the Knicks and WILL improve the team--there is no DOUBT about it, ANY fan understands that its almost a 100% given--and I believe at this time we and to try to win games, but we need these two players.


Not every move has to constitute the Knicks taking on a bazillion $, actually it might be the smartest trades the Knicks make.
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DarkKnicks
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11/26/2005  11:03 AM
James is like Marbury, only much worse than him in my opinion and I don't like that trade. The trade with Portland is ok for me (you know we both prefer to trade Malik but it does not seem to be posible).
djsunyc
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11/26/2005  11:04 AM
deal A for patterson + blake...where do i sign? this would be a GREAT move and a type of move that we NEVER seem to make.

deal B for james - i veto. i can not give up nate and butler for a possible 1 year rental and a #2 pick. even if nate and butler don't pan out, i can't make this move. IF they do this, then nothing really has changed in the philosphy of this organization. nate should be used in bringing back a better player as he brings some thing outside of on-court play (ticket sales and merchandise).
BRIGGS
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11/26/2005  11:09 AM
Posted by DarkKnicks:

James is like Marbury, only much worse than him in my opinion and I don't like that trade. The trade with Portland is ok for me (you know we both prefer to trade Malik but it does not seem to be posible).



No one is giving us Magic Johnson. Larry Brown won a championship with James as a hog and his play is taking off. If Larry Brown can deal with Mike James and Stephon Marbury, maybe he should give back all the money the Knicks gave him. Pattersomn and James guive us two battle tested defensive vets who will improve the team, possibly significantly. Thats all you can ask your GM for.
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11/26/2005  11:18 AM
I don't think Portland would take back that much money. They've said they only want AD or Penny from us, which would mean we'd have to take back Theo. I don't think any Portland trade works for both teams with the Blazers deciding to keep Darius Miles.

Is Mike James actually available? I'd think Jalen is more available than Mike James? Other than that rookie Ukic they just drafted, who would run the point in Toronto?
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fishmike
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11/26/2005  11:25 AM
Portland is going to waive Patterson. Just cut Barnes and pick him up
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11/26/2005  11:27 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Portland is going to waive Patterson. Just cut Barnes and pick him up


I'd rather buyout rose, he's barely able to do anything on the court, and his contract makes him virtually untradeable. But do the knicks have enough $$$ to sign patterson? other teams are going to be after him too.

[Edited by - slimpack on 11-26-2005 11:30 AM]
BRIGGS
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11/26/2005  11:48 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Portland is going to waive Patterson. Just cut Barnes and pick him up


Portland wont get a deal as good as what the Knicks can give them. Basically they get Mo Taylor for an extra 500k a year instead of nothing. They really could use Mo Taylor. If you can get a player that can produce, you would always take the player instead of handing someone the same $$ to just walk on their own terms. Plus we get rid of Taylor:>)


James has an *opt out* for next year. Now they could be patient and try to get more--that they can do--right now he is playing at a very high level, he could be worth more than the package I proposed, BUt adding Butler at C, they were hot on Nate--they could move Calderon to starter with nate as a back up, and barnes would get more opportunity there as well. Mike James is not going to have a future in toronto and teams know it--its what teams would be willing to give up--a package of three young -inexpensive players is not exactly swis cheese--that pick 21 from this draft, Jackie Butler could asily be considered a 25-30 pick and Barnes can save them $--making it to the 25% trade margin.
So they save a million + as well
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Bring in Patterson and James

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