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djsunyc
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11/24/2005  10:46 PM
i think we all know it's not about this season. we know it's a building process for the next FIVE seasons. the main thing, to me, is personnel. how can you not be excited by the youth here? we got some real nice young pieces. but what has to happen this year is the shedding of the old dogs AS WELL as the big $$$ deals so we can officially turn the page and do the "R" word...REBUILD. that's why we shouldn't trade penny b/c it will beget more dogs. we shouldn't trade AD for the same reason. eventually, we are going to start winning, and i'm talking about next year and the year after. and when we do, we just need to make minor tweaks to help us reach some milestones so we CAN'T be handcuffed with big $$$ deals b/c that will make those much needed moves more difficult to accomplish. BANG FOR THE BUCK. and right now, we're DEAD LAST in that in the league. we need some fiscal responsibility so we can make moves for more sure bets and not risks (which has been the case with 99% of isiah's trades).

and now there's talk about KG. i'll tell you this, if we move frye or curry in a deal for KG, then i want isiah gone. why? b/c we'll get some more 2nd round playoff exits. NO TITLES. more blue balls and that's it. and then in 2008 - we're COOKED.

the foundation is being laid to make us into a real winning team. i think we all know it's going to take a while and we all know there's going to be growing pains. but you could ask this question: "is it too much to ask a $125mil team to make the playoffs?"

i'll offer a different perspective...i'm a season ticket holder. i'm a different case b/c i'm a FANATIC. i talk about the team all day on these boards, i go to every game and i watch every game on tv. i pay hard earned money to watch them LIVE. i stick by them when they win and lose. i understand it's a process...but i'm one guy. 75% of the garden is different. they don't want to put up with losing IF we continue to put out those old dogs on the court. when the young guys get in the game, the crowd becomes ELECTRIC. they WANT to see them. but as each game goes by with malik rose, mo taylor, and AD in the lineup, the crowd just moans and moans. sitting in the stands with the other season ticket holders around me, you want to know what we talk about? we talk about the young guys. we talk about this guy needs more minutes or that guy needs to learn this and that. we don't say one thing about any of the vets. in fact, we don't even talk about steph. and these are just regular season ticket holders - not people that spend their days and nights and thanksgivings on these boards. the people that pay to watch them are ready to see the rebuild. they will CHEER for them. that's just how it is inside the garden. it's something we haven't seen in over 15 years. and that's where my frustration comes in...it's time to turn the page. lb putting out that lineup like we had vs. charlotte is just a WASTE OF TIME...and money.

do the other season ticket holders feel the same way?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 11-24-2005 10:50 PM]
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11/25/2005  1:35 AM
I'd agree with you if it wasnt for Jerome the big BUST James. Can't have moves like that and be rebuilding.
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11/25/2005  2:26 PM
IT is not going to trade Frye and/or Curry for KG, that's for sure he spent tp much time getting these two to turn around and trade them, that would be stupid!.
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11/25/2005  5:16 PM
I've been a season ticket holder since 2002 and currently this is the 1st time i've actually seen the Knicks somewhat rebuilding.

If Isiah is looking to rebuild with promising youngters such as Frye, Curry, Ariza and others, he cannot pulled asinsine manuevers like the JJ signing.. I personally felt the Marbury trade was a mistake..

Zeke should've allowed Mcdyess, Eisley, and ward contracts to come off and last yr he should've allowed Mutumbo,harrington and other contracts to come off as well. HE would've had soooo much flexibilty, he wouldn't knew where to start....

If they do get Garnett, it would include Penny and Antonio's expiring contract but honestly having a garnett wouldn't put us in a situation for a title... Also, the dude got 2 more good yrs left in him then he'll start to decline.. not a clutch performer..
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11/25/2005  5:45 PM
If we had that huge cap flexibility, which available FA would you have signed that was so much better than having Marbury.

If Isiah is looking to rebuild with promising youngters such as Frye, Curry, Ariza and others, he cannot pulled asinsine manuevers like the JJ signing
I disagree; I think any GM can have a small minority of his moves be mistakes and still rebuild successfully. I don't think anyone made a worse decision recently than Joe Dumars made drafting Darko ahead of Carmelo, Bosh, and Wade. You can't even compare the magnitude of Dumars' mistake in that draft and Isiah's decision to give a $5 mil annual contract to JJ.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-25-2005 5:46 PM]
WOODMANnYk
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11/25/2005  6:50 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

If we had that huge cap flexibility, which available FA would you have signed that was so much better than having Marbury.

If Isiah is looking to rebuild with promising youngters such as Frye, Curry, Ariza and others, he cannot pulled asinsine manuevers like the JJ signing
I disagree; I think any GM can have a small minority of his moves be mistakes and still rebuild successfully. I don't think anyone made a worse decision recently than Joe Dumars made drafting Darko ahead of Carmelo, Bosh, and Wade. You can't even compare the magnitude of Dumars' mistake in that draft and Isiah's decision to give a $5 mil annual contract to JJ.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-25-2005 5:46 PM]

Can't compare isiah to dumars!!! Dumars built that piston team and won a championship.. Secondly, you bring up Darko but must understand that he never got a chance to be seen consistently.. Brown wouldn't play him often.. Now he's gettting the playing time under Saunders..
Also, he's only 20 or 21 so he got time to grow especially sinc e he's 7'0..

Also, ask yourself this question. why didn't dumars pick Carmelo??? He already had Tayshaun Prince who ended up being a genuius pickup from Dumars in a previous draft.. Prince already made an impact in the playoffs, not Carmelo...

If yuo gonna compare a mid-level exception contract signing, compare Isiah's JJ to Dumars Billups.. same $ and length of contract... You looks smarter so far??? Im sure you know that answer

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-25-2005 7:01 PM]
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11/25/2005  6:58 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

If we had that huge cap flexibility, which available FA would you have signed that was so much better than having Marbury.

If Isiah is looking to rebuild with promising youngters such as Frye, Curry, Ariza and others, he cannot pulled asinsine manuevers like the JJ signing
I disagree; I think any GM can have a small minority of his moves be mistakes and still rebuild successfully. I don't think anyone made a worse decision recently than Joe Dumars made drafting Darko ahead of Carmelo, Bosh, and Wade. You can't even compare the magnitude of Dumars' mistake in that draft and Isiah's decision to give a $5 mil annual contract to JJ.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-25-2005 5:46 PM]

the reason you can't be reubuilding and at the same time sign guys like JJ is not becuase JJ sucks, but becuase he's 30.



[Edited by - slimpack on 11-25-2005 6:59 PM]
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11/26/2005  1:27 AM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If we had that huge cap flexibility, which available FA would you have signed that was so much better than having Marbury.

If Isiah is looking to rebuild with promising youngters such as Frye, Curry, Ariza and others, he cannot pulled asinsine manuevers like the JJ signing
I disagree; I think any GM can have a small minority of his moves be mistakes and still rebuild successfully. I don't think anyone made a worse decision recently than Joe Dumars made drafting Darko ahead of Carmelo, Bosh, and Wade. You can't even compare the magnitude of Dumars' mistake in that draft and Isiah's decision to give a $5 mil annual contract to JJ.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-25-2005 5:46 PM]

the reason you can't be reubuilding and at the same time sign guys like JJ is not becuase JJ sucks, but becuase he's 30.



[Edited by - slimpack on 11-25-2005 6:59 PM]
So what's the age cut off for players you can sign and still be rebuilding? I wasn't aware of it.
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11/26/2005  1:28 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If we had that huge cap flexibility, which available FA would you have signed that was so much better than having Marbury.

If Isiah is looking to rebuild with promising youngters such as Frye, Curry, Ariza and others, he cannot pulled asinsine manuevers like the JJ signing
I disagree; I think any GM can have a small minority of his moves be mistakes and still rebuild successfully. I don't think anyone made a worse decision recently than Joe Dumars made drafting Darko ahead of Carmelo, Bosh, and Wade. You can't even compare the magnitude of Dumars' mistake in that draft and Isiah's decision to give a $5 mil annual contract to JJ.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-25-2005 5:46 PM]

Can't compare isiah to dumars!!! Dumars built that piston team and won a championship.. Secondly, you bring up Darko but must understand that he never got a chance to be seen consistently.. Brown wouldn't play him often.. Now he's gettting the playing time under Saunders..
Also, he's only 20 or 21 so he got time to grow especially sinc e he's 7'0..

Also, ask yourself this question. why didn't dumars pick Carmelo??? He already had Tayshaun Prince who ended up being a genuius pickup from Dumars in a previous draft.. Prince already made an impact in the playoffs, not Carmelo...

If yuo gonna compare a mid-level exception contract signing, compare Isiah's JJ to Dumars Billups.. same $ and length of contract... You looks smarter so far??? Im sure you know that answer

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-25-2005 7:01 PM]
What? The only point was that you can make a mistake and still rebuild successfully. All the other parts of the post are where you're reading way more into the analogy than I ever thought someone could.

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11/26/2005  9:37 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If we had that huge cap flexibility, which available FA would you have signed that was so much better than having Marbury.

If Isiah is looking to rebuild with promising youngters such as Frye, Curry, Ariza and others, he cannot pulled asinsine manuevers like the JJ signing
I disagree; I think any GM can have a small minority of his moves be mistakes and still rebuild successfully. I don't think anyone made a worse decision recently than Joe Dumars made drafting Darko ahead of Carmelo, Bosh, and Wade. You can't even compare the magnitude of Dumars' mistake in that draft and Isiah's decision to give a $5 mil annual contract to JJ.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-25-2005 5:46 PM]

Can't compare isiah to dumars!!! Dumars built that piston team and won a championship.. Secondly, you bring up Darko but must understand that he never got a chance to be seen consistently.. Brown wouldn't play him often.. Now he's gettting the playing time under Saunders..
Also, he's only 20 or 21 so he got time to grow especially sinc e he's 7'0..

Also, ask yourself this question. why didn't dumars pick Carmelo??? He already had Tayshaun Prince who ended up being a genuius pickup from Dumars in a previous draft.. Prince already made an impact in the playoffs, not Carmelo...

If yuo gonna compare a mid-level exception contract signing, compare Isiah's JJ to Dumars Billups.. same $ and length of contract... You looks smarter so far??? Im sure you know that answer

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-25-2005 7:01 PM]


Umm... Darko has been given plenty of time to shine in Detroit this season but I guess Brown is still holding him back. Second the most telling point is that the Pistons have been actively shopping the guy for now over a year. No takers.
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