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the steady decline...ariza and Q
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djsunyc
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11/23/2005  10:38 PM
as each game passes, and every game we're not allowed to run, ariza is being more exposed as a raw talent that is VERY undeveloped. he's nervous out there and it shows. pure hustle looks great when we play pressure defense and play uptempo. a player with bad hands, no jumper, and no handle gets EXPOSED in the 1/2 court.

we do not run one single play for Q. he is the bail out option on offense. he does get some boards and gets back in transition defense but his lack of role in the offense makes him just another body out there. is he hurt?

lb is still trying to figure out what we have. problem is that while he's figuring it out, he's killing ariza and Q's confidence and more importantly, trade value.

Q was supposed to be our starting SF/SG and ariza was supposed to get major minutes and show major growth. 0 for 2 on both accounts.
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11/23/2005  11:03 PM
DJ....Q can be a very potent weapon...especially with Curry out Q could've gotten some nice post up....maybe next game.
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djsunyc
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11/23/2005  11:05 PM
q could be...but we ran a total of THREE plays for him all season. he's like the sixth option on the court right now. i have no idea why lb is not incorporating him unless since he's hurt he can't post up and lb doesn't want any 3 point shooting. i wouldn't doubt if he's the first one traded.
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11/23/2005  11:06 PM
this is just part of LB's genius coaching plan for the team. he's trying to show Q how to really leave an opposing SF open like Malik does. When Q grasps that, he'll get more minutes.
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jaydh
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11/23/2005  11:08 PM
Posted by joec32033:

DJ....Q can be a very potent weapon...especially with Curry out Q could've gotten some nice post up....maybe next game.


Q has done nothing so far this year. i am waiting and waiting to see what he can do.
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11/23/2005  11:13 PM
He hasn't done anything but from his Clippers days he was a great power guard a la Bonzi Wells, and he stroked it with PHX, obviously....don't tell me he lost so much skill over 2 years that he doesn't deserve to have a few plays called for him.
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11/23/2005  11:29 PM
Larry Brown has done nothing this year but play games.

Ariza is a D-Leaguer but no one wants to hear that.

Q is not a bum......I saw him drop 30pts on the Knicks twice as a Clipper. Last season He hit like 6 threes against the Knicks.

Q needs to get healthy and he needs to get some plays called for him where he can get the opportunity to score. He was off on his jumper but he showed he can get hot. When he did the ball stopped going his way. Q can score.....and he can definately play a little defense too.

I just hope he gets a chance to show what he can do before Larry Brown forces Isiah to make a trade! What an *******.
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11/23/2005  11:37 PM
yeah, Q's value is lessened a lot here because Supreme Genius Larry Brown doesn't like three pointers. oh well. too bad we have the three point shootout winner and guy who hit the most threes in the NBA last season.
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11/24/2005  12:19 AM
I honestly feel Q is still hurt. I think once he gets 100% or close to it he will be effective again. I don't think he'll help us posting up or anything. I just think he'll be a solid post up shooter, and o rebounder.
djsunyc
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11/24/2005  12:23 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

I honestly feel Q is still hurt. I think once he gets 100% or close to it he will be effective again. I don't think he'll help us posting up or anything. I just think he'll be a solid post up shooter, and o rebounder.

i mean we don't run ANY plays for him. NOT ONE. what is going on? we run plays for malik, for AD, and mo and we can't run one for Q?

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11/24/2005  12:31 AM
Listen, lets face the facts.. Q-Rich is not a good fit for this team.. he is a chucker. I like him but even as a Clipper which was his better days he took a lot of shots. He did have a decent post game there, but for some reason he's gotten away from that and fell in love with the 3. Larry hasn't run any plays for him yet in the post, partly because of his nagging back injury and being less familiar w/ his game. I think Q, should be traded (Portland).. he flourished in an uptempo offensive set. Larry is making us a half court team... which I'm actually cool with. Forget that run and gun style, get motion in the half court set and create open shots.. Inside/Out.

Trevor Ariza, he's really overhyped. We Knicks fans got excited by this kid's athletic ability. But we forget he was a mid 2nd rd pick. He often makes poor decisions, can't shoot.. he does some things well, like plays the passing lanes defensively, and runs the floor well (Can't finish tho). Overall, I think he does have a decent basketball IQ, but he needs alot of time and development. He again, is a young guy that just isn't ready to contribute. David Lee is getting off the bench on most nights before him.. WHY? because Lee is more fundamentally sound at this point. Ariza is another gut that could benefit from a trade.. To a young team so he can find his game. Sorta like Gerald Wallace. IMO

For real, we should stop questioning Larry Brown and let him do his thing. He's actually implementing a system here in NY. Give it time!
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11/24/2005  12:35 AM
Q's adjusted FG% for last season was 49.8%. He takes a lot of threes, but Q taking the amount of threes he did basically equalled someone else taking 2pt shots and hitting half of them. He can be a valuable piece, but he has to get healthy and they have to figure out how to use him.
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11/24/2005  12:58 AM
iS IT ME OR HAS aRIZA ACTUALLY TAKEN A STEP BACKWARDS?

He was developing the spot up jumper towards the end of last year. Now he takes everythign to the lane, but never finishes. His defense is atrocious too. WTF?
djsunyc
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11/24/2005  1:00 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

iS IT ME OR HAS aRIZA ACTUALLY TAKEN A STEP BACKWARDS?

He was developing the spot up jumper towards the end of last year. Now he takes everythign to the lane, but never finishes. His defense is atrocious too. WTF?

i don't think there's that much development with him BUT to his defense, we did run more last year. we don't run at all this year and that's hurting him. he's excelled when we played better defense and are allowed to play uptempo (usually when we're behind and trying to get back into it). he doesn't fit with 1/2 court bball right now.


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11/24/2005  9:58 AM
Posted by joec32033:

He hasn't done anything but from his Clippers days he was a great power guard a la Bonzi Wells, and he stroked it with PHX, obviously....don't tell me he lost so much skill over 2 years that he doesn't deserve to have a few plays called for him.


well from what i've been seeing, when he is open, he misses shots, and when hes not open, he just stands around.
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11/24/2005  11:09 AM
Q has a [uninsured] bad back and unlike the West there are alot of physical 2/3's out here who make post play a serious grind. Plus he was never a good % shooter anyways. He is a decent scorer however the reasons the Suns dumped Q are starting to become clearer.
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11/25/2005  2:53 PM
Ariza was everyone's golden boy in this forum and it appears the bloom is off the rose.
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11/25/2005  3:13 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

Ariza was everyone's golden boy in this forum and it appears the bloom is off the rose.
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11/25/2005  5:51 PM
Could it also be that Malik, AD, and Mo are being shopped? I mean they aren't doing much at all for their trade value, but then again not every GM in the league sees the same things we do.
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11/25/2005  6:00 PM
Posted by TemujinKnick:

Could it also be that Malik, AD, and Mo are being shopped? I mean they aren't doing much at all for their trade value, but then again not every GM in the league sees the same things we do.
I'd assume AD is being or will be shopped and the mere fact that he not only has an expiring contract but also is still healthy enough to play a limited role on a team as a 5 pt, 5 rb player will increase his value more than if he were playing zero minutes and was not expected to serve any role on a new team. It won't make a huge difference in his trade value but it could make a small difference. (We have no way of knowing if that is one of the reasons he's playing 20 mpg obviously.)


the steady decline...ariza and Q

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