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djsunyc
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11/22/2005  12:07 PM 

Regular Season Stats  
         PPG   FG%  FT%  RPG
1988-89  16.3 .495 .725  6.5      
1989-90  21.1 .520 .794  6.7      
1990-91  20.0 .469 .793  8.2


for the young bucks, smith was a legit player with the clippers before he got hurt and got to ny. he was a member of the 50 point club, had a nice little mid-range jumper and a nice little back to the basket game.

would this be a legit comparision? what do you guys think?

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11/22/2005  12:08 PM
Frye is much more competitive than Smith ever was. He is not soft like Smith and has a much higher bball IQ.
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djsunyc
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11/22/2005  12:10 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Frye is much more competitive than Smith ever was. He is not soft like Smith and has a much higher bball IQ.

i don't know...you have to remember watching smith in the clippers. in ny, it was a TOTAL disaster as he was playing out of position at the 3 spot.
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11/22/2005  1:35 PM
God! Bite your tongue! Compare him to Smith and then ask me if I'd trade him for KG...?
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11/22/2005  1:43 PM
Statwise, Frye and Smith (rookie year) may look similar, but that's about it. The comparison alone is a bad omen.

Jump hard for those putbacks and tip-ins, Channing!
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11/22/2005  1:52 PM
Channing looks like he'll add solid weight and get bigger over the next couple of years.
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11/22/2005  2:11 PM
they are similar. Hopefully chompers turns out to be a tougher cookie.

I like the fact he's not afraid to shoot it, even if he's missed a couple. He doesnt get down on himself when he makes mistakes either.

Lets face it... shooting is getting to be a lost art. He's got a great skill to build off of.
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11/22/2005  2:15 PM
Smith was a great player before he got hurt.

After 8 games we are infinatlty qualified to project his career?

We are special fans.

Blame Riley or checketts for starphuching the trade that bought in damaged goods, Smith did the best he could and if he helped put us into a situation where a tip in would have put us in the finals, then he could not have been all that bad.

And we turned around and lost game 7 anyway.

Its amazing how we one again demonize and must put a face on failure. Its an organizational failure to put Charles smith in the situation to not succeed.

Yet, at the same time, Starks goes 3-18 and we don't call him soft? Starks mental breakdowns and un-timely technicals might be constued as being Mentally Soft. BUt he gets a lot of free passes because of his career. Charles Smith was not a life long Knick, so we judge him only by his career here. Again, it was wrong to bring him here!


Smith boxed, out, got the rebound. That was not soft. He was unable to dunk! That is his career legacy?

I guess we best not get into the finals out of fear Frye is not tough enoughl. Tough enough to get us in the finals does not count!

All this after 8 games!
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11/22/2005  2:19 PM
great post nalod. Smith was a easy target, but I saw him in his clipper days, even dropped 50 one game, the guy could play... before the injury he was a rising young star...
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11/22/2005  2:21 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Smith was a great player before he got hurt.

After 8 games we are infinatlty qualified to project his career?

We are special fans.

Blame Riley or checketts for starphuching the trade that bought in damaged goods, Smith did the best he could and if he helped put us into a situation where a tip in would have put us in the finals, then he could not have been all that bad.

And we turned around and lost game 7 anyway.

Its amazing how we one again demonize and must put a face on failure. Its an organizational failure to put Charles smith in the situation to not succeed.

Yet, at the same time, Starks goes 3-18 and we don't call him soft? Starks mental breakdowns and un-timely technicals might be constued as being Mentally Soft. BUt he gets a lot of free passes because of his career. Charles Smith was not a life long Knick, so we judge him only by his career here. Again, it was wrong to bring him here!


Smith boxed, out, got the rebound. That was not soft. He was unable to dunk! That is his career legacy?

I guess we best not get into the finals out of fear Frye is not tough enoughl. Tough enough to get us in the finals does not count!

All this after 8 games!


damn you nalod...damn you straight to hell.

smith did get a bum wrap but his knee was finished and was out of place with our toughness factor.

we got lucky b/c ewing fumbled the ball and it ended up in smith's hands. it was THE defining play of the 90's for the ny knicks. (and it was game 5, we then lost game 6 and got bounced - if we won it, we probably still lose game 6 and then have to play game 7 at home. i was at that game and we ALL knew that it was over after it.)
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11/22/2005  2:28 PM
sucks that fans remember you for such things.

Frye is cool. I like his humility and work ethic, but he comes off as mentaly tough on the court. Much like an Allan Houston mentality. Frye is incredibly versatile on offense. The D will come because he plays hard there. He just needs confidence. Still, he doesnt back down. He reminds me more of Jermain Oneil's first year in Indy. He was so smooth with the ball. JO was an is a better athlete, but not by much.

Frye needs to start at PF right now... no ifs ands or buts!!!!

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off all the guys that play real minutes we play the best with him on the floor.
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11/22/2005  2:33 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Nalod:

Smith was a great player before he got hurt.

After 8 games we are infinatlty qualified to project his career?

We are special fans.

Blame Riley or checketts for starphuching the trade that bought in damaged goods, Smith did the best he could and if he helped put us into a situation where a tip in would have put us in the finals, then he could not have been all that bad.

And we turned around and lost game 7 anyway.

Its amazing how we one again demonize and must put a face on failure. Its an organizational failure to put Charles smith in the situation to not succeed.

Yet, at the same time, Starks goes 3-18 and we don't call him soft? Starks mental breakdowns and un-timely technicals might be constued as being Mentally Soft. BUt he gets a lot of free passes because of his career. Charles Smith was not a life long Knick, so we judge him only by his career here. Again, it was wrong to bring him here!


Smith boxed, out, got the rebound. That was not soft. He was unable to dunk! That is his career legacy?

I guess we best not get into the finals out of fear Frye is not tough enoughl. Tough enough to get us in the finals does not count!

All this after 8 games!


damn you nalod...damn you straight to hell.

smith did get a bum wrap but his knee was finished and was out of place with our toughness factor.

we got lucky b/c ewing fumbled the ball and it ended up in smith's hands. it was THE defining play of the 90's for the ny knicks. (and it was game 5, we then lost game 6 and got bounced - if we won it, we probably still lose game 6 and then have to play game 7 at home. i was at that game and we ALL knew that it was over after it.)

So if Ewing had bigger hands he would not have fumbled it and fur shure would have put the ball back in? Im sure his finger roll was considered "automatic"! So its not smith, not Ewing, but his genetic disposition for having small hands!

I knew eventually we'd get to the core!
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11/22/2005  2:41 PM
frye said one thing that impressed me. He said he is proud of the family name and won't go out there and embarras his family name by not playing hard. That says a lot...
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11/22/2005  3:16 PM
I didn't see Smith during his Clipper days, but for the Knicks he had a fairly slow release on his jumper, not unlike KT. Frye's jumper has a quick release for a big man and he has nice range on it. Plus he has a knack for making shots around the bucket from awkward or difficult positions where you'd think he'd have no chance at making it. Overall I can't say I recall Smith exhibiting anything like Frye's scoring talents, but again, I only saw him with NY.
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11/22/2005  3:19 PM
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11/22/2005  3:30 PM
Posted by tkf:

frye said one thing that impressed me. He said he is proud of the family name and won't go out there and embarras his family name by not playing hard. That says a lot...


wow good stuff!
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11/22/2005  3:34 PM
Regular Season Stats
PPG FG% FT% RPG
1988-89 16.3 .495 .725 6.5
1989-90 21.1 .520 .794 6.7
1990-91 20.0 .469 .793 8.2

for the young bucks, smith was a legit player with the clippers before he got hurt and got to ny. he was a member of the 50 point club, had a nice little mid-range jumper and a nice little back to the basket game.

would this be a legit comparision? what do you guys think?

I am glad you said it. I see similarities in Fryes game to Charles Smith. Also Keith Van Horn and Juwan Howard. But this is not a bad thing! All three are/were good players. Smith was just wrong for the Knicks.

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11/22/2005  3:38 PM
I wouldn't trade Charles Smith for Kevin Garnett!
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11/22/2005  3:44 PM
Nope.

Frye isn't Charles Smith recincarnate.

B/c according to alot of jockery fans, he's the next Michael Jordan.


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11/22/2005  4:22 PM
Another big difference between frye and smith is that frye was known as a defender in college a shot blocker, smith was not, these guys are really different..
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