Posted by djsunyc:

malik rose gets PT b/c he runs the plays LB asks without any problems. his talent level is not good enough to hit those little jumpers or to block shots but he runs the plays lb asks of him. that's why he plays.

and that's how any of these guys get playing time.

the young'n's are getting it. and lb knows there's a learning curve for them so he let's them make mistakes (i.e. nate's jocking). but they're getting it and for some - craw, lee, and frye, they may be pushing the older guys out.

that's what lb is trying to establish. the system but more importantly, whether you will listen to him and fit within the system.

there's a method to his madness and 30+ years has proven this.

now once you come out in the open and QUESTION the system like steph did, then you p ss the old man off.

steph thinks the best way for him to help this team is being the sg. is it for the win or for his stats, i'm not sure but lb was like "why is a career loser telling me where he should play?". this isn't a 2nd year ai talking, it's an 8 year self proclaimed best pg in the league.

and now lb's p ssed.

so steph may have just signed his suicide note here in nyc.

the other guys are getting it but when you're franchise guy is not, it kills the growth process. at the end of the day, i think we ALL know that steph needs to go so we can truly figure out what we have and what we need.

Posted by Killa4luv:

What is this the X files?

great ****in show...

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Killa4luv:

What is this the X files?

the theory i proposed does explain some things - like the crazy rotations [to see if they follow the plays regardless of who's out there], the refusal to move steph to the sg, and the minutes for rose.

also, that comment from a few days ago about "who would we play at pg" - i don't think that's a knock on craw or nate. i think it's more that lb wants a veteran pg running his system and he doesn't feel nate and craw are ready to do that.

djsu "mother f'n mulder" nyc

You don't think its a knoc on craw because you don't want it to be. It is what it is, he doesn't trust Craw with the rock too much. Period. I don't know about the rest of this science fiction, but I am starting to realize that every post you make somehow, some way leads to one place:

Marbury must go.

EVERYTHING you have posted in the past 2 weeks has been along these lines. He doesn't fit, will he fit in 3 years, the youngsters are being stunted by his presence, is he apart of the long term plan, etc. I don't know what you saw in these games that fit, to say that something doesn't fit but hey, you must see something. Whereas I see a young team with one of the best coaches, and one of the best pg's trying to figure what to do with the talent. In MSG in Portland it looks like they figured a few things out. We're not there yet, but we will be, and when we get there, maybe then, you can stop racking your brain about how he doesn't fit, and maybe start to think of some other pieces that would fit well with him and the team, so we can take this thing to another level.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Killa4luv:

What is this the X files?

the theory i proposed does explain some things - like the crazy rotations [to see if they follow the plays regardless of who's out there], the refusal to move steph to the sg, and the minutes for rose.

also, that comment from a few days ago about "who would we play at pg" - i don't think that's a knock on craw or nate. i think it's more that lb wants a veteran pg running his system and he doesn't feel nate and craw are ready to do that.

djsu "mother f'n mulder" nyc

You don't think its a knoc on craw because you don't want it to be. It is what it is, he doesn't trust Craw with the rock too much. Period. I don't know about the rest of this science fiction, but I am starting to realize that every post you make somehow, some way leads to one place:

Marbury must go.

EVERYTHING you have posted in the past 2 weeks has been along these lines. He doesn't fit, will he fit in 3 years, the youngsters are being stunted by his presence, is he apart of the long term plan, etc. I don't know what you saw in these games that fit, to say that something doesn't fit but hey, you must see something. Whereas I see a young team with one of the best coaches, and one of the best pg's trying to figure what to do with the talent. In MSG in Portland it looks like they figured a few things out. We're not there yet, but we will be, and when we get there, maybe then, you can stop racking your brain about how he doesn't fit, and maybe start to think of some other pieces that would fit well with him and the team, so we can take this thing to another level.

lb does not trust craw and nate yet at this point and i understand that. that's why i don't think it's a knock on them, it's just that they aren't where they need to be...and i don't think anyone expects them to b/c they're so young in their development. but the questions i pose about marbury aren't groundbreaking or anything special but they are valid ones. i'm not an extreme here, and i give praise and criticism to steph. i know this year means jack in terms of wins/losses. it's really about next year and the year after that. so i'm asking these questions concerned about down the road, not what happens today. should i show more patience, hell yeah. i'm as melodramatic as the next guy. but i don't think my doubts are unwarranted. you actually said you liked what he said in SAS's interview. i didn't. to me, that's not showing leadership, that's him thinking it is, but it's not. you don't just go out and say "i'm the best" or "i can't control how somebody else plays." those are defensive statements with ego mixed in. you can believe that, but damn it man, don't say it. i see him trying on the court, and i see the progress defensively - which is AWESOME. but at the end of the day, my question is can someone emerge as the future of this team, both on the court, and vocally while steph is still here? i don't know the answers to these questions, that's why i pose them. what does my gut tell me? i think you know the answer to that, that he's not part of the long range plans here. you see what our future is, and that's the 2nd unit. i'm one of those guys that would rather speed up the process, that's all.

Posted by rvhoss:

craw still contributed mightily in his new role, in 39 minutes - 19/5/4

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by Knight:

Posted by rvhoss:

craw still contributed mightily in his new role, in 39 minutes - 19/5/4

I think what we're figuring out this year is that LB can only help players maximize what they are already talented at--not give them all new talents and identities. Yes, some of our guys will defend a little better but there will be no drastic transformations. Ariza will always have Ben Wallace's jumper and Jamal and Steph will never have the intangibles at point guard that Billups has.

Yeah after 9 games I guess 'we' can figure that.

Keep holding out hope. LB succeeds by putting together good teams but you need good all around team players to do that.