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Killa4luv
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11/17/2005  11:34 AM
Our biggest hole at any position is at the 3.

Teams trap us and our starting lineup doesn't have any other ball handlers besides Steph.
Darius can handle the rock.

When Frye is 15 feet away from the basket spotting up for open jumpers, only Curry is down there with maybe Q, who is a good rebounder for his size, but can't really bang with the big boys.
Miles is 6-9 with a sick wingspan and good rebounding skills.
He averages 6.5 a game and that is with 13 rebounds already being pulled down at the Center position (Pryzbilla & Ratliff), and 11 at the PF (Zach Randolph). That is pretty impressive.

Rebounding has been part of the reason we have lost games. Even in our wins rebounding is what made those games closer than they should have been.

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He is a tough defender, and among the league leaders in steals, runs the floor and is aggressive attacking the basket.

He fills clear needs we should get him.
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11/17/2005  11:44 AM
The case against him. He's a selfish loser who will never be able to play within LB's system.
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11/17/2005  11:47 AM
Posted by islesfan:

The case against him. He's a selfish loser who will never be able to play within LB's system.

yup, I count that heavily too.
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11/17/2005  11:52 AM
he would CLEARLY be an upgrade at the SF spot.
he can be a game changer on the defensive end.
big question is his head.

we got a head coach that makes $10 mil a year.
if there's gonna be a coach to get it out of him, it would be him.

the question is, do we take that chance?
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11/17/2005  11:53 AM
Posted by islesfan:

The case against him. He's a selfish loser who will never be able to play within LB's system.

I heard the same thing said about MARBURY but he seems to be adjusting fine IMHO. Bring in Darius, it beats seeing Ariza dribblin with his head down.
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11/17/2005  12:04 PM
Posted by EWING33BXNY:
Posted by islesfan:

The case against him. He's a selfish loser who will never be able to play within LB's system.

I heard the same thing said about MARBURY but he seems to be adjusting fine IMHO. Bring in Darius, it beats seeing Ariza dribblin with his head down.

Miles is in another class than Marbury when it comes to being a selfish loser. The guy is a total head case and I don't want him anywhere near here. That probably means that he's at the top of Isiah's wish list.
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11/17/2005  12:10 PM
This season I've realized even more that basketball IQ is just as important as athletic talent--bring in some players who are young and savvy and can make smart plays, i.e., not Miles...even though he's better than any of our guards.
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11/17/2005  12:49 PM
Larry coaches very tough. Must be mentally tough.

While all players can change and evolve, Lets keep that ugly selfish MOFO out of here.
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11/17/2005  1:14 PM
Posted by Knight:

This season I've realized even more that basketball IQ is just as important as athletic talent--bring in some players who are young and savvy and can make smart plays, i.e., not Miles...even though he's better than any of our guards.

Miles is better than any of our guards? Are you saying he is better than Marbury?
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11/17/2005  1:16 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Larry coaches very tough. Must be mentally tough.

While all players can change and evolve, Lets keep that ugly selfish MOFO out of here.


If Miles wants to win, he'll handle it. With him on our squad we could be on the verge of a really really good team. He is playing for a lottery team right now. If winning is appealing to him, I think he'll do what he has to do to make it work.
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11/17/2005  1:45 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Nalod:

Larry coaches very tough. Must be mentally tough.

While all players can change and evolve, Lets keep that ugly selfish MOFO out of here.


If Miles wants to win, he'll handle it. With him on our squad we could be on the verge of a really really good team. He is playing for a lottery team right now. If winning is appealing to him, I think he'll do what he has to do to make it work.

ANy of them have this ability. Look at TT!

This guy has a bad reputation. Im sure maturity will take care of a lot of it, but I don't know this fella only what I read.

It sounds like you have a more intimate knowlege of him. Good insight if you do.
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11/17/2005  2:38 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Nalod:

Larry coaches very tough. Must be mentally tough.

While all players can change and evolve, Lets keep that ugly selfish MOFO out of here.


If Miles wants to win, he'll handle it. With him on our squad we could be on the verge of a really really good team. He is playing for a lottery team right now. If winning is appealing to him, I think he'll do what he has to do to make it work.

ANy of them have this ability. Look at TT!

This guy has a bad reputation. Im sure maturity will take care of a lot of it, but I don't know this fella only what I read.

It sounds like you have a more intimate knowlege of him. Good insight if you do.

Theres a difference. TT avged 12 and shouldve avged 24. Miles is young and avging 20 right now. Attitude is his concern, not production. TT seemed to do everything right except produce. Miles is a differemt case.

Its not that I have intimate knowledge of him but it is that I know that when guys wanna when they do what it takes.
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11/17/2005  2:42 PM
I wish it was that easy to bring Darius in. The only way that would happen is if he stops producing. That was the case with TT. When he no longer was producing in MIL they got him out of there in a NY minute. I'm with Killa on this one though. He will help jumpstart plenty of things here in NYC and be a huge upgrade as for what we have now, plus he will be reunited with his girlfriend Q.
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11/17/2005  3:09 PM
Posted by Knight:

This season I've realized even more that basketball IQ is just as important as athletic talent--bring in some players who are young and savvy and can make smart plays, i.e., not Miles...even though he's better than any of our guards.

yea, watch frye and lee play, even nate to some degree, they are aware, well aware of their surroundings, they anticipate well and can read basketball situations.. classic example and this is something small. Frye was going for a rebound, he knew he couldn't save the ball straight up so he jumps in the air, puts the ball behind his back and hands it off to marbury in one motion. that may not seem like much, but it shows this kid is always thinking, the same with david lee, he gets the ball on a break, makes a move towards the middle and then hits craw wide open for a 3, again, it is about understanding...

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11/17/2005  3:14 PM
Watching Miles and what he brings to the court eh is a perfect fit for what's going on in NY. Still who do you trade? I don't want to trade the wrong player because Larry isn't sticking with a rotation.

Miles got the handle, shotblocking ability, and inbetween scoring that the Knicks need from the 3. I don't think the Knicks need a shooter cuz the Knicks have them already. The Knicks need a guy that can be a threat off the dribble in between.

Miles would be awesome. If he was fighting the coach it had to be over wins and loses and playing time. Portland was bad last year. Miles seems happier this year and is having a coming out party so to speak.
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11/17/2005  3:19 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Knight:

This season I've realized even more that basketball IQ is just as important as athletic talent--bring in some players who are young and savvy and can make smart plays, i.e., not Miles...even though he's better than any of our guards.

yea, watch frye and lee play, even nate to some degree, they are aware, well aware of their surroundings, they anticipate well and can read basketball situations.. classic example and this is something small. Frye was going for a rebound, he knew he couldn't save the ball straight up so he jumps in the air, puts the ball behind his back and hands it off to marbury in one motion. that may not seem like much, but it shows this kid is always thinking, the same with david lee, he gets the ball on a break, makes a move towards the middle and then hits craw wide open for a 3, again, it is about understanding...

Even that play where Marbs drives and feeds Lee inside and Lee give it right back cuz he felt the defense coming and Marbs gave it right back when the defense turned around and Lee made a quick shuffle in the lane for a dunk.

These guys are good.....Isiah needs some huge credit taking a chance on these guys.

Miles is a savy scorer with great hands and handle. That slick style of his would fit.

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11/17/2005  3:26 PM
Miles just reminds me SO much of that Fugazy cat we just happened to finally get rid of... OK the handle may be better, but this cat just seems to attract the wrong kind of drama, even moreso than TT.
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11/17/2005  3:43 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Miles just reminds me SO much of that Fugazy cat we just happened to finally get rid of... OK the handle may be better, but this cat just seems to attract the wrong kind of drama, even moreso than TT.

20,6.5 rpg,2spg,2.5apg,1.5 blocks, shooting 48%?

TT ever come CLOSE to filling the stat sheet like that?
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11/17/2005  3:49 PM
dmiles is a different player.

he plays on both ends of the court. he doesn't have a nice looking shot but he's like ariza ON ROIDS.

problem is that he's a major headcase. that sh t don't fly here. and apparently, isiah already passed on him once (for frank + othella) so maybe all of this portland talk is just BS? who knows.

it's a gamble...and one we should've made last year or the year before. but we are a little bit of a different animal now with smarter and headier players. so it's a gamble...
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11/17/2005  4:24 PM
D Miles is exactly what we need. IMO his attitude would not get in the way here. He would have to check that at the door. Look how Sheed did when he came to the Pistons with LB. And Sheed was worse than Miles.
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