Rotations.
Butler looked great and played so few minutes.
AD played way too many in the 2nd half and stunk it up.
Frye sat way too long.

Offense.
Where was the Steph at the 2-Craw at the 1, time? That has been effective when they mixed it up, why did that not happen tonight. Steph was having a problem penetrating because the whole team was collapsing on him, why no adjustments for him to get his off?

Why not enough Frye? He shoulda taken 25 shots, the kid was on FIRE!!!!

Too many Curry post ups, thats what slows our offense. We dont have to feed Curry like that, let him get his points in the flow of the game (like in Sac-town), don't run 3-5 straight plays for him, if he misses consecutively (as has happened most times this season) we start getting beat by more and more.

Could we run som plays for Q to get open?

or do a REAL pick and roll where guys set REAL picks and REALLY roll to the basket?

Mo Taylor would have been great this game, we needed him.

Rebounding/Boxing out
We gave up WAAAAYY too many offensive rebounds. How can we win giving up that many boards?
We can thank Ad & Curry for that.

AND Steph was a great PG tonight, and our best perimeter defender on the best perimeter player in the league, but he was a horrible scorer, and he definitely contributed to our lose tonight by not contributing what we can usually expect from him offensively.

Unlike man of you, I will not panic or get crazy. I think LB has a plan and I just can't see it from here. Maybe hes just trying to prepare Curry for the 2nd half of the season and the playoffs? Maybe he wants to have the youngsters play the end of relatively meaningless games to get their minds right later.

Our roster has a problem when we play against teams with a uy like Kobe or Vince, because Craw can't guard them well. He looked lost out there and was not making Kobe take tough shots. We can't have Steph struggling to guard a guy 4" taller and 20 pounds heavier than him, who happens to be the best perimeter player in the league, and expect him to play 40 minutes AND dominate on offense. I don't think you guys realize what you are asking of him. It would be like asking Kobe to guard Tim Duncan because Kwame can't do it. Granted Steph shoulda had at least 12, 4 points is unacceptable, but still guys, put it into perspective.

Steph shares some blame, but LB is figutring this out, and teaching certain players certain things and I have faith he will fix everything that is wrong with our team, even with this flawed roster.

steph needs to be a leader and take over games when he needs to!! hes our leader he needs to act like one

Posted by Rich:

They will be able to win games like this in about a month.

You know I had to stop posting cuz I was so into the game.......

The Knicks are so ****ing good it's annoying the hell out of me. I was cursing and screaming so much I'm suprise the neighbors didn't call the cops on me.

#1.....Why can't Larry stick with a rotation? You know Butler came in and he changed the game then you don't see the dude again. You know.....this is putting Isiah on the hotseat and Isiah will make a trade as soon as he see's something that will help....but he doesn't have too....the players are already on the team.

Larry needs to stop ****ing around. He is ****ing with me.......yeah I feel like he is ****ing with me personally cuz I know what kind of coach he is. He is a great coaching mind but I gotta say that he likes to play psycological games.....he doesn't like the roster. He says some weird things about this team. Are we watching the same team? He says if we play the young guys maybe we win? Yo Larry stop ****ing with my mind!!!!!! Play to win. Set your rotation and get these young guys out there. Your offense works but you need to set a ****ing rotation!!!!!

Arrrrgh!!!!!

I got some Johnny Newman rage in me man. I was so tired after all the screaming I fell asleep.

All I ask for is a rotation. Give me a damn rotation. This team is young but I never seen a group this young play with such poise and BALLZ!!! Cut the rotation down to 8 or 9 and **** all the veterans and lets win games now God Damn it!!!!

I don't want the pressure put on Isiah to make another blockbuster.

Stop Fucking with me!!!!!

^^^Good post Knickfan.....Ok after reading that I'm calm.

Still the Knicks are out of wack because of the rotaion. I believe the Knicks should be undefeated because the teasm they lost too did not flat out beat the Knicks. None of them were better. No way!!!!

I blame the great Larry Browns Rotation. It is not fair to the players when they are off and on the inactive list and also getting mixed minutes especially when certain guys are clearly, bright as day, as sure as the sky is blue, playing better.

Starters:
Frye
Ariza
Curry
Marbs
Q

Bench:
Lee
Butler
Craw

With Davis and Nate getting in where they fit in.

I know everyone agrees with this!!! So what the line-up is young. All the young guys the Knicks have are different....I never seen this before in this many rookies. They are not green. All of them are poised hard nosed players and they deserve to play!

Fuck what you heard. This is what is plain as day!!!!(ah man I'm getting mad again)





[Edited by - enyspree on 11-17-2005 06:09 AM]

Can't assume you stick with a certain group they can play the rest of the game!

I saw many many good things last nite. I hated some shot selection down the stretch, but the ball movement when it was moving was excellent. Craw save for maybe two or three stupid forces was excellent. He is driving to the basket and drawing some fouls!

Lee was excellent last nite, and Frye was great!

They are getting quality time and proving themselves!

AD played a great first half!

Curry looked good but must be able to finish strong!

Butler just getting minutes was great!

Lots of guys are playing!

LB got them going in the right direction. Steph is really starting to get it. I don't care about his points! He made some nice passes!

Posted by EnySpree:

15 regular season game experiment? So what does that mean? Should we just start checking NBAdraft.net now instead of June?

Eny, who gives a **** if it takes 15 games? What's the difference? Are we winning a championship this year? No way! Conference finals? No. So what if we go 5-10 instead of 9-6? It's only a four game swing. Long term it makes no difference. If we click in the second half of the season and make the playoffs, great. If not, we're off to a good start with some good rooks (Frye and Lee impress every night, Nate when under control) and youth (Curry, Craw) and have some flexibility to get better with some moves. Can't you see how much brighter the future is than this time last year?





[Edited by - panos on 11-17-2005 09:46 AM]

Posted by Knight:

If we're not competing in the playoffs this year I don't get why we have a disgruntled $20 million dollar aging borderline all-star on our roster.

You don't have to get it!

BUt Marbs trade value is limited and if he is willing to be re-educated and wants to play team ball, then why not give him that chance? Marbs can either fight it or accept it.

Will he turn the corner on a dime and become steve nash? No, but he can be very effective in other areas too!

Hello knick fans !!!

I am writing from Honduras central america, last night i had the chance to see the knicks play on espn..for the first time this season. I knew that it was going to be rough for us knick fans, since we have a very young team...but talented. We had a chance to win this game..but it seems that we don't have a go-to guy on the court when the game is on the line...The lakers are just kobe and who ever doesn't get on his way.Frye has surprised me so far, and David Lee ( he is all heart ) we need more of that. Steph needs to step up as the leader because it seems that we don't have one. But ,i am optimistic, we will get better.

Posted by rvhoss:

Once the other players settle on their roles and LB settles on a rotation, then marbs will begin to go on his 30 point rampages.

Right now, he's on the same page as the coach. And he's seeing what they have.

10 assists.

I agree. Once the team system becomes more settled, Stephon will be able to incorporate the 20/8 skills into his new all-around game.

Why was he holding Kobe? Is Q really that hurt where he can't guard anyone and if that's the case they need to sit him out.

The Baby Bulls from last year come to mind......you gotta play who is doing the job for you. You don't play for ping pong balls and you don't be satisfied just to know you have a bright future.

The future looks bleek if you have a coach who doesn't believe in what he has because he wants veterans. Something is messed up. Larry Brown is a great coach but he plays too many mind games.

I Think our Knicks the way it is the Knicks could win and win often just as they are. Isiah should be thinking add on or minor tweaking if he does anything at all. I believe in these kids that they can win now.