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11/15/2005  11:15 PM
http://deseretnews.com/dn/print/1,1442,635161437,00.html

Deseret Morning News, Tuesday, November 15, 2005

New low — Jazz owner rips team in loss

By Tim Buckley
Deseret Morning News

Andrei Kirilenko, sprained ankle, out. Gordan Giricek, tonsillitis, out. Keith McLeod, back spasms out.



Utah's Deron Williams drives by New York's Stephon Marbury during Monday's game in the Delta Center.

Michael Brandy, Deseret Morning News
Carlos Boozer, strained hamstring, still out.


By the time Kris Humphries sliced open the webbing between two of his fingers in the waning seconds of the Jazz's 73-62 loss to the New York Knicks on Monday night at the Delta Center, the Jazz hurt virtually everywhere between head and toe.


Perhaps the toughest sting, though, was that heard in Jazz ears after owner Larry H. Miller delivered a second-half tongue lashing that witnesses said was an expletive-filled tirade.


After the Jazz were outscored 18-8 in the third quarter, Miller left his usual courtside seat and joined the Jazz's between-periods huddle.


As it broke up he barked, with words apparently directed at Jazz coach Jerry Sloan. He then moved to the end of the bench, where players including Greg Ostertag and Matt Harpring could be seen getting dressed down. Miller finally turned to the Jazz's suits — injured players on the inactive list, including both Kirilenko and Boozer — and seemed to have heated words for them as well.


"He was vocal," guard Devin Brown said, "in the fact he spends money on our team, and he wants us to play hard. We need to play harder."


When Brown was pressed on what Miller said specifically, Ostertag, who was standing nearby, sarcastically told his teammate to share the exact language, then snapped, "It's a family show," before walking to the showers in disgust.


Brown did not go into details, but suffice it to say a message had been sent.


Sloan maintained he did not know precisely what Miller said, but suggested he may have gotten the gist of it.


"I didn't hear him," the Jazz coach said. "I was aware that he was in the huddle, but I didn't hear him say anything . . . I had other things that I was concerned about.


"Larry can say whatever he wants. He owns the team. I've never had a problem with that.



Utah's Devin Brown falls to the court while being defended by New York's Stephon Marbury. The Knicks surprised the Jazz for their second victory over the season.

Michael Brandy, Deseret Morning News
"He should be upset," added Sloan, whose Jazz play Sacramento tonight for their fifth road game in a stretch of six-of-seven away from the Delta Center. "I was upset, too — but my job is to try to get these guys to go play again (tonight). He always has the right to do whatever he wants to do. I know that."


To understand what made Miller so upset, one need look no further than the third quarter.


The 4-4 Jazz, starting point guard Milt Palacio in McLeod's place and rookie Andre Owens in Giricek's shooting guard spot and Harpring for Kirilenko at small forward, came out of the break down one at 37-36 after their lowest-scoring opening half of the season.


Utah scored on its first two possessions of the third, but then made 18 straight trips down the floor without getting so much as a point for its efforts.


The Jazz shot just 2 of 18 — 11.1 percent — in the quarter and went into the fourth down 11 at 55-44.


"Those were some pretty good shots," Sloan said of the 18 his team took in the third. "But they didn't go in the basket — and you have to be able to make them in this league."


Because the Jazz could not, they wound up shooting just 29.3 percent — 27 of 64 — on the night. That's a franchise-record low shooting percentage.


They also mustered just 62 points, matching their output in a loss at Detroit last season — the second-lowest scoring total in franchise history behind the time they put up just 56 at Seattle on Feb. 16, 1999.


Sloan knows why it happened, too.


"They came out and really defended us very well," he said. "We had a tough time trying to run anything. They made us take tough shots all night long.


"They put us back out on the perimeter. When we did go to the basket, it was like an adventure in there."


More often than not, the Knicks — Sloan's word — "manhandled" the Jazz.


"They were the tougher team mentally all the way around tonight," said Sloan, who, besides giving Owens his first NBA start, also had rookies C.J. Miles and Robert Whaley coming off the bench to make their NBA debuts.


"I was more disappointed in our veteran players," Sloan said. "You know, you can be upset with the young players — but some of them haven't had an opportunity to be on the floor."


Instead, Sloan seemed more miffed at the likes at Ostertag (0 points in 21 minutes), Harpring (three points, 24 minutes) and team season scoring-leader Mehmet Okur (12 points, 37 minutes).


Besides rookie point Deron Williams' 18 points, there wasn't much to please Utah on Monday.


Throughout the loss, Jazz body language suggested as much.


"We're feeling a little bit sorry for ourselves," Sloan said. "You know, you have a tendency to feel sorry for yourself (when) you get two or three guys hurt, a couple guys banged up. But you still have to go play.


"As soon as you whip yourself but shaking your head and feeling sorry for yourself, you're a whipped pup. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. Guys on the other team love seeing that. They love to see you shake your head and say, 'Oh my goodness, now what am I going to do?' "

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11/15/2005  11:18 PM
He's far from the last opposing coach that'll run that speech this year...
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11/15/2005  11:26 PM
He's saying alot of that stuff to the Utah media in order to light a fire under his team not really to praise the Knicks.
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11/15/2005  11:34 PM
Posted by Knight:

He's saying alot of that stuff to the Utah media in order to light a fire under his team not really to praise the Knicks.


lol

*NY headlines: Marbury races into burning building, saves 3 children*

Knight: Anyone would have done that.

or

Knight: It wasn't real fire, it was all an illusion.

or

Knight: That wasn't Marbury, it was his do-gooding twin, Andre.

or

Knight: Yeah, but he didn't save the 4th kid.

or

Knight: He was just doing that to look good to the media.

or

Knight: Please, someone shoot me in the face.
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11/15/2005  11:43 PM
You really want to make a big deal about beating a Jazz team without their 2 best players??? If the Knicks lost a game without Marbury and Curry most everybody here would be using that as a reason why you shouldn't take too much out of the outcome but beating a team in that situation is supposed to mean something?

Take the win and move on. Drawing conclusions from the win is beyond silly.
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11/15/2005  11:52 PM
Isles, I know optimism's not your thing, but I was referring to the comments about the Knicks' mental toughness and defense sounding like a step in the right direction...

When the next coach makes a similar comment, I'll buy you a beer.
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11/15/2005  11:54 PM
We scored 73 points against the JAZZ...we really manhandled them.
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11/15/2005  11:56 PM
Posted by Knight:

We scored 73 points against the JAZZ...we really manhandled them.


There's going to be nights where we don't score alot agsinst ANY TEAM, but as long as they score LESS, I'm all for it.
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11/15/2005  11:57 PM
The Jazz are getting "manhandled" again by the Kings tonight who are beating them by 30...what does that tell you?
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11/15/2005  11:59 PM
Posted by Knight:

The Jazz are getting "manhandled" again by the Kings tonight who are beating them by 30...what does that tell you?


That you need to drink a damn beer and enjoy the Knicks.
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11/16/2005  12:00 AM
it's a step in the right direction. As long as we keep moving forwards, and not backwards, I'm happy
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11/16/2005  12:00 AM
^That any team can shut down that decimated Jazz team.
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11/16/2005  12:01 AM
Posted by Knight:

The Jazz are getting "manhandled" again by the Kings tonight who are beating them by 30...what does that tell you?
1. Kings are home (if we played that Jazz team at MSG I think we would have won by more)
2. We were on the road
3. We were playing the second of a back to back
4. We beat Sacramento

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11/16/2005  12:01 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Knight:

The Jazz are getting "manhandled" again by the Kings tonight who are beating them by 30...what does that tell you?

That you need to drink a damn beer and enjoy the Knicks.

Damn right. The Kings are mad that WE manhandled THEM. LOL


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11/16/2005  12:09 AM
We haven't manhandled anyone this year, that's pretty obvious to anyone except a Knicks fan who is looking for any reason to think we are a great team at this point or turned some magical corner.
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11/16/2005  12:10 AM
Hmm, let's put Knight's reasoning powers to the test.

Last season, the Pistons (54-28, NBA finalists) lost a game by 16 points, 88-72, to the lowly Atlanta Hawks (13-69). Later that season, the Hawks lost a game by 30 points, 113-83, to the Milwaukee Bucks (30-52). What does that tell you?
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11/16/2005  12:13 AM
Posted by tomverve:

Hmm, let's put Knight's reasoning powers to the test.

Last season, the Pistons (54-28, NBA finalists) lost a game by 16 points, 88-72, to the lowly Atlanta Hawks (13-69). Later that season, the Hawks lost a game by 30 points, 113-83, to the Milwaukee Bucks (30-52). What does that tell you?

That's not my reasoning.
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11/16/2005  12:18 AM
Posted by Knight:

Watch how Sac destroys the Jazz tonight like we should have.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=12623

The implication being that we suck because we didn't blow out Utah? Or what exactly? You're saying, look, we barely scraped by against this sucky team, and now they're getting blown out by this other sucky team; therefore that reflects badly on us. I don't think the Detroit fans care much that they LOST (not scraped out a win vs the Hawks, but lost) to a team that later got blown out by another lottery team. Big deal. You're trying to say something, but whatever it is, it's weak. This is basketball, not rock paper scissors.
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11/16/2005  12:22 AM
Here it is plain and simple: Because of injuries this Jazz team is absolutely awful. They are so bad even one of the worst defensive teams, the Kings, can dominate them. So, why is everyone so proud of our victory over such an awful team? Somehow the Kings "slogged" out 119 points.

[Edited by - Knight on 11-16-2005 12:23 AM]
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11/16/2005  12:23 AM
The Kings dominated the Jazz and we dominated the Kings....END OF DISCUSSION
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Sloan: Knicks "Manhandled" Jazz

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