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OngBok
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11/14/2005  7:04 PM
New York (1-5)Sacramento (2-5)10595 1 2 3 4 T
New York 29 28 20 28 105
Sacramento 16 25 25 29 95
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NEW YORK KNICKS
STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Matt Barnes, SF 13 1-4 0-0 0-0 0 3 3 1 1 0 0 2 2
Antonio Davis, FC 27 0-3 0-0 3-4 0 4 4 1 2 0 0 2 3
Eddy Curry, C 21 6-11 0-0 4-5 1 7 8 0 1 1 4 5 16
Quentin Richardson, GF 25 3-4 3-3 2-2 0 3 3 3 1 1 0 2 11
Stephon Marbury, IR 39 7-11 0-1 3-6 0 2 2 7 2 0 6 4 17
BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Malik Rose, F 27 0-1 0-0 0-0 1 5 6 1 1 1 3 3 0
Trevor Ariza, SF 34 6-10 1-1 0-0 1 4 5 6 4 0 3 6 13
Jackie Butler, FC 3 1-2 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 2
Channing Frye, C 19 8-13 0-0 3-3 2 4 6 0 1 1 1 5 19
Jamal Crawford, SG 22 6-12 2-2 2-4 0 0 0 2 0 0 4 1 16
Nate Robinson, G 9 3-5 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 3 6
David Lee, F 1 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TOTALS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
41-76 6-7 17-24 5 34 39 22 15 4 21 33 105
53.9% 85.7% 70.8% Team TO (pts off): 21 (22)




Why is AD getting more minutes than Frye ??? Hell Butler deserves more mins than AD !! Trevor finally got his muins !! What abot Lee getting 1 minute ??? Yes we won but LB is all over the place !!
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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SkyWalker
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11/14/2005  7:15 PM
frye had 5 fouls didn't he?
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11/14/2005  7:19 PM
In all fairness, AD should be getting the most burn at the 4, assuming we are still trying to compete. Frye will be used more and more as larry's trust in him grows. If anything, Lee should be given Rose's minutes, not AD's. Right now, lee could fill the same role as rose while providing some more hustle and muscle (aka huffing and stuffing).

Edit: I agree Butler should be Curry's back-up when we don't go to frye, given similar girth and strong performances thus far.

[Edited by - notfrye on 11-14-2005 7:21 PM]
OngBok
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11/14/2005  8:07 PM
My bad Skywalker, i didn't notice that Frye had 5 fouls...
Notfrye, maybe LB will start to play Butler more and more.
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11/14/2005  8:09 PM
Posted by OngBok:

My bad Skywalker, i didn't notice that Frye had 5 fouls...
Notfrye, maybe LB will start to play Butler more and more.

Frye still should be starting and finishing games. Playing Davis would have made sense if (a) Frye and Lee had each fouled out or (b) the goal is to lose games.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-14-2005 8:10 PM]
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11/14/2005  8:12 PM
Ok i can go with that Bonn, now maybe LB will visit the forum for an update on how to fill out his starting rotation !! LB 30 + mins to Curry / Frye / Ariza / Craw / Marbs !!!!!! Please !!
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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11/14/2005  8:15 PM
Posted by OngBok:

Ok i can go with that Bonn, now maybe LB will visit the forum for an update on how to fill out his starting rotation !! LB 30 + mins to Curry / Frye / Ariza / Craw / Marbs !!!!!! Please !!
My hope is that Brown has some good rationale behind his decision to play inferior vets ahead of superior young players. I could live with it if he's trying to teach the young players to use their fouls more intelligently. I'd be really concerned if he were so delusional as to think AD and Rose are superior to Frye and Lee
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11/14/2005  8:20 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by OngBok:

Ok i can go with that Bonn, now maybe LB will visit the forum for an update on how to fill out his starting rotation !! LB 30 + mins to Curry / Frye / Ariza / Craw / Marbs !!!!!! Please !!
My hope is that Brown has some good rationale behind his decision to play inferior vets ahead of superior young players. I could live with it if he's trying to teach the young players to use their fouls more intelligently. I'd be really concerned if he were so delusional as to think AD and Rose are superior to Frye and Lee

AD and Rose are superior to Frye and Lee in terms of not making mistakes in crunch time. Channing, David and Nate need major minutes but they also need instruction before they're placed in a demanding situation.
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11/14/2005  8:22 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by OngBok:

Ok i can go with that Bonn, now maybe LB will visit the forum for an update on how to fill out his starting rotation !! LB 30 + mins to Curry / Frye / Ariza / Craw / Marbs !!!!!! Please !!
My hope is that Brown has some good rationale behind his decision to play inferior vets ahead of superior young players. I could live with it if he's trying to teach the young players to use their fouls more intelligently. I'd be really concerned if he were so delusional as to think AD and Rose are superior to Frye and Lee

AD and Rose are superior to Frye and Lee in terms of not making mistakes in crunch time. Channing, David and Nate need major minutes but they also need instruction before they're placed in a demanding situation.
If Frye and Curry are gonna outscore AD and Rose 35 to 3 AND out-rebound them, there's no way they could make enough mistakes to cancel out their scoring and rebounding edge.
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11/14/2005  8:24 PM
AD is a -48 in plus/minus over six games this year. I cannot stress enough how much he sucks.
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11/14/2005  8:25 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by OngBok:

Ok i can go with that Bonn, now maybe LB will visit the forum for an update on how to fill out his starting rotation !! LB 30 + mins to Curry / Frye / Ariza / Craw / Marbs !!!!!! Please !!
My hope is that Brown has some good rationale behind his decision to play inferior vets ahead of superior young players. I could live with it if he's trying to teach the young players to use their fouls more intelligently. I'd be really concerned if he were so delusional as to think AD and Rose are superior to Frye and Lee

AD and Rose are superior to Frye and Lee in terms of not making mistakes in crunch time. Channing, David and Nate need major minutes but they also need instruction before they're placed in a demanding situation.
If Frye and Curry are gonna outscore AD and Rose 35 to 3 AND out-rebound them, there's no way they could make enough mistakes to cancel out their scoring and rebounding edge.


How bout fouling Out. They both had five fouls. They're not much good their glued to the bench because they fouled out.
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11/14/2005  8:43 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by OngBok:

Ok i can go with that Bonn, now maybe LB will visit the forum for an update on how to fill out his starting rotation !! LB 30 + mins to Curry / Frye / Ariza / Craw / Marbs !!!!!! Please !!
My hope is that Brown has some good rationale behind his decision to play inferior vets ahead of superior young players. I could live with it if he's trying to teach the young players to use their fouls more intelligently. I'd be really concerned if he were so delusional as to think AD and Rose are superior to Frye and Lee

AD and Rose are superior to Frye and Lee in terms of not making mistakes in crunch time. Channing, David and Nate need major minutes but they also need instruction before they're placed in a demanding situation.
yeah, that's why Rose had no stupid fouls, shots or turnovers in crunch time last night...

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OngBok
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11/14/2005  9:32 PM
Oldfan, i would rather Frye & Lee foul out, then play AD instead of AD starting infront of Frye
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11/14/2005  10:14 PM
Posted by OngBok:

Oldfan, i would rather Frye & Lee foul out, then play AD instead of AD starting infront of Frye
I agree. I'd rather Butler foul out too for that matter. Once those three get their 18th foul (combined), I have no problem with Rose getting minutes!

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11/14/2005  11:50 PM
Posted by OngBok:

My bad Skywalker, i didn't notice that Frye had 5 fouls...
Notfrye, maybe LB will start to play Butler more and more.


I hope so
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11/15/2005  1:01 AM
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by OngBok:

Ok i can go with that Bonn, now maybe LB will visit the forum for an update on how to fill out his starting rotation !! LB 30 + mins to Curry / Frye / Ariza / Craw / Marbs !!!!!! Please !!
My hope is that Brown has some good rationale behind his decision to play inferior vets ahead of superior young players. I could live with it if he's trying to teach the young players to use their fouls more intelligently. I'd be really concerned if he were so delusional as to think AD and Rose are superior to Frye and Lee

AD and Rose are superior to Frye and Lee in terms of not making mistakes in crunch time. Channing, David and Nate need major minutes but they also need instruction before they're placed in a demanding situation.
If Frye and Curry are gonna outscore AD and Rose 35 to 3 AND out-rebound them, there's no way they could make enough mistakes to cancel out their scoring and rebounding edge.


How bout fouling Out. They both had five fouls. They're not much good their glued to the bench because they fouled out.

I have said this twice, but I'll say it again two of Frye's fouls in the game against the Kings, were the result of poor defense by Rose, he couldn't cover his man so Frye was left in a position to have to foul Rose's man to deny an easy basket, this is what happens when your teammate doesn't do his job on defense someone else pays for it, that is what happened to Frye. He was a victim of Rose's inability to cover his man,that is why Frye had fouls against the Kings!.


[Edited by - attaboy2005 on 11-15-2005 01:02 AM]
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11/15/2005  2:00 AM
wow.. just wow.

That's the point of defense genius. Not everyone's gonna be able to guard their man perfectly. If your man drives by you then it becomes the duty of whoevers in the frontcourt to deny your man. Thats just a part of the game. The frontcourt is always going to get more fouls than the backcourt because they have to stop drives. If Frye wasn't in a good position for help D then he rightfully deserves the foul call. Stop making excuses for Frye. Using your logic Big Game Foul Machine James probably isn't at fault for half of the dozens of fouls he draws per game. Get real, thats help defense. Sure Rose may suck but lets not start accusing him of everythings thats not right.
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