Posted by NYK3:

I understand what you're saying but its just that Larry puts him in at the wrong time of the game...both games against Golden State he put Rose in the final minutes when he has no business being out there

I think LB still has some confidence in him and expects good defense and a veteran know-how at the end of the game from him. It hasn't worked out but the sample size is pretty small.

He's played way too many big minutes. No more Rose, thank you.

Posted by NewYorkSoul:

I don't know about the sample size.. yes it has been small if you're going by minutes and shots, but in terms of opportunities, Rose has had plenty of chances to make plays happen. Truth is, he contributes nothing at all out there, and plays out of his character (jumpers??), and any of the Knicks other options would be better.

his +/- is 0 - average for the team. He's played in 5 games and taken 16 shots. That's not much of a sample. I'm certainly not convinced he belongs in rotation. But I have no problem with LB giving a 10 year vet, with a good history,more time to prove himself. Especially when his numbers last year - a better sample size - were right around his career averages.

How ever much people hate Rose, and I was already down on him since last season as a blocked shot waiting to happen, and predicted that his touted veteran clubhouse leadership could be a negative if he doesn't get playing time...

But the amount of play Rose gets is directly proportional to Larry's distrust of of everyone else in crunch time.

So instead of directing the anger at Larry and Malik, perhaps one should consider his lack of faith in Steph, Craw, Ariza, Q, Frye, Lee, Curry, Mo, James and Nate.

IOW, if we had other players CLEARLY better than Rose in crunch situations LB would be playing them. Has ANYONE distinguished themselves as decidedly bright and clutch yet?

there's a situation for examples and a situation for teaching.

frye is past that. there is NOTHING that frye has done to warrant getting ONLY 20 mins a night.
he has played well enough to be out there for 30 mins AT LEAST barring foul problems.

i think it may be a gut instinct by lb to go with a vet. it could also be a connection with pop or maybe it's a simple case of showcasing him to move him.

there's no LOGICAL explanation for malik to be out there AHEAD of frye.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 11-12-2005 3:47 PM]

Posted by tomverve:

Posted by djsunyc:

there's no LOGICAL explanation for malik to be out there AHEAD of frye.

I don't know if we can say that so facilely. Maybe it's not logical for you and me, but it must have made sense to Brown's sense of logic. I'm not ready to abandon LB after 5 games.

but tom, i know more than brown and that's not facilely (whatever the hell that means)

He plays in crunch time way to often.

It's not that Rose has played, it's WHEN he plays and WHY Brown puts him in the game, namely, to lose. Brown is using Rose to ensure losses because Steph didn't find the cutter in the third quarter and Curry didn't run out to contest a Troy Murphy three. Here's a question for the "great" Larry Brown, why wasn't David Lee guarding Troy? Why wasn't Eddy guarding the center? Why didn't Lee play? Oh, I get it, because you're trying to force Isiah to trade for Eric Snow. I hate Larry Brown.

Posted by tomverve:

Posted by crzymdups:

It's not that Rose has played, it's WHEN he plays and WHY Brown puts him in the game, namely, to lose. Brown is using Rose to ensure losses because Steph didn't find the cutter in the third quarter and Curry didn't run out to contest a Troy Murphy three. Here's a question for the "great" Larry Brown, why wasn't David Lee guarding Troy? Why wasn't Eddy guarding the center? Why didn't Lee play? Oh, I get it, because you're trying to force Isiah to trade for Eric Snow. I hate Larry Brown.

Ah, c'mon now. It's obviously the marauding space aliens who have implanted a biological mind control device in LB's skull who are to blame. I hate marauding space aliens.

Whatever, guy. You can smirk and keep telling yourself that it's just a CRAZY conspiracy. That Brown didn't get forced out of Detroit, that it was "health reasons." That Brown didn't have a talented enough roster to win in the Olympics (btw, I would like a chance to coach a team with Amare, Bron, Wade, Melo. I wonder why Coach Brown didn't play them? Weren't they playing the right way like Carlos Boozer?). Keep telling yourself that no one else could have eeked more than 37 wins out of the 96-97 Pacers, but do try to ignore the fact that Larry Bird took the same team to the Eastern Finals and won 59 games with them the very next season. Keep telling yourself that Brown is a genious who has his reasons for playing Malik Rose and Antonio Davis, not a megalomaniacal power-hungry freak who's trying to force Isiah to make trades and if he doesn't get his way, try to force Isiah out of town. No, no, Brown is too innocent, too much of a basketball genius.

This isn't a conspiracy, this is the way it's always been with Brown.