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11/10/2005  3:57 PM
Radmanovic, agent seek more minutes
FRANK HUGHES; The News Tribune
Published: November 10th, 2005 03:00 AM





CLEVELAND – The agent for Vladimir Radmanovic said the disgruntled forward will give the Seattle Sonics “10 or 12 games” to figure out how to use him before they ask for a trade.
David Bauman, who is based in Washington, D.C., will meet with Radmanovic over the next two days while the Sonics are in town to play the Wizards. The two will discuss Radmanovic’s lack of playing time.

They will formulate a plan, Bauman said, but in no way will they accept the status quo.

“We are not prepared to go that (trade) route yet,” Bauman said. “But 10 or 12 games in, I think that is where decisions have to be made by both sides.

“At the end of the day, (a trade) may be an option. We are not going to play 15 minutes a game and stay in Seattle. That was never discussed this summer. That was not what we contemplated. And if that is what Bob Weiss thinks Vlade’s worth is, then he needs to tell (general manager) Rick Sund that Vlade is the odd man out.”

Bauman’s comments came after Radmanovic expressed his displeasure following Tuesday night’s loss at Memphis, a game in which Radmanovic played 20 minutes.

Radmanovic was critical of Weiss’ substitution patterns and questioned why he wasn’t being used more a year after he averaged 11.8 points in 29.5 minutes.

The comments seemed to shock the Sonics on Wednesday, particularly since the team experienced the success it did last season, in part, because of individual sacrifices.

Weiss read about the comments five minutes before he held his pregame meeting with the media, saying he would address the team about the situation before the game against Cleveland.

Before that, though, he met with the media again, saying he would not fine or punish Radmanovic but not cave to his demands, either.

“I don’t appreciate being put in a box and having it judged,” Weiss said. “If I play him now, it looks like I am wilting to him. Like I told the players, once you sign your contract and once you become involved here, the most important thing is the team. I’m not going to worry about what it looks like with his minutes. I’m going to play him as I was planning on.”

Weiss told the team that if they have issues, they should talk to him and not discuss it with reporters.

Radmanovic played 33 minutes and scored 12 points in the Sonics’ 112-85 loss to the Cavaliers because Rashard Lewis injured his shoulder two minutes into the game and did not return. It appears Lewis’ injury is not serious, which leaves Radmanovic’s playing time in question.

Weiss said he has not played Radmanovic extensively because he injured his foot in the exhibition season and then did not play well in the first few games.

Bauman said Radmanovic is not playing well because he is not being given the chance to do so.

“The kid has to play. That is apparent,” Bauman said. “He played (29.5) minutes last season. That is the right number for him. The key is just to give Vlade the role and give him the space to do what he can do. He can’t do that in 15 minutes.”

Under the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement, if Radmanovic is traded, he loses his Larry Bird rights with the team that trades for him.

That means that if the team that trades for him is over the salary cap next summer, they can offer Radmanovic only the midlevel exception, which is expected to be a starting salary of around $5 million.

It also eliminates the possibility of a sign-and-trade deal next summer, thus restricting the options for Radmanovic to make more money than the $42 million he turned down from the Sonics.


Jackie Butler
6-10 PF from Coastal Christian Academy (HS)
3.3 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.7 minutes
Maurice Taylor
6-9 PF from Michigan
7.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes
Incoming
Vitaly Potapenko
6-10 C from Wright State
3.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.2 minutes
Danny Fortson
6-8 PF from Cincinnati
7.5 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 16.9 minutes
Change in team outlook: -0.1 ppg, +3.7 rpg, and -1.0 apg.


Seattle Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Vitaly Potapenko
6-10 C from Wright State
3.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.2 minutes
Danny Fortson
6-8 PF from Cincinnati
7.5 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 16.9 minutes
Incoming
Jackie Butler
6-10 PF from Coastal Christian Academy (HS)
3.3 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.7 minutes
Maurice Taylor
6-9 PF from Michigan
7.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: +0.1 ppg, -3.7 rpg, and +1.0 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to New York and Seattle being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York and Seattle had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


I think Seattle would prefer Crawford, but the numbers just dont work. Besides, Mo T has less years left, and JB gives them a young C to work on.

Vlad Rad spreads our offense, kills the zones and opens up space for Q and Steph to drive and/or dish.

Thoughts?

[Edited by - firefly on 11-10-2005 3:57 PM]
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11/10/2005  4:06 PM
Posted by firefly:

Thoughts?


I think Vladimir Radmanovic and Vitaly Potapenko are different people.

Not a bad idea though, same thing occurred to me when I saw Vlad was making waves. Seems like he'd be a great fit since we desparately need a shooter or three and could also use an upgrade at SF. Dunno if we could put together a package that would be attractive for Seattle though.
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11/10/2005  4:09 PM
Vlad can't be traded this year becuase he signed the qualifying offer so if thats who you meant to put in the trade then its not going to work.
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11/10/2005  4:09 PM
You ant put Radmanovic in the trade checker because of his Bird rights. I used Potapenko because their numbers are near enough. It was the only way i could outline the trade.
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11/10/2005  4:14 PM
Under the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement, if Radmanovic is traded, he loses his Larry Bird rights with the team that trades for him.
That means that if the team that trades for him is over the salary cap next summer, they can offer Radmanovic only the midlevel exception, which is expected to be a starting salary of around $5 million.

That means we CAN trade for him, but the max we can offer him next summer is the MLE aka the Trevor Ariza trust fund. the max MLE is I believe a little more then the numbers he turned down from Seattle. Correc me if I'm wrong, please.

So, in summation, we can get him, if he's willing to come, and if he's not expecting a max type deal.
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11/10/2005  4:22 PM
Posted by firefly:

Under the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement, if Radmanovic is traded, he loses his Larry Bird rights with the team that trades for him.
That means that if the team that trades for him is over the salary cap next summer, they can offer Radmanovic only the midlevel exception, which is expected to be a starting salary of around $5 million.

That means we CAN trade for him, but the max we can offer him next summer is the MLE aka the Trevor Ariza trust fund. the max MLE is I believe a little more then the numbers he turned down from Seattle. Correc me if I'm wrong, please.

So, in summation, we can get him, if he's willing to come, and if he's not expecting a max type deal.


Interesting Firefly... I saw his remarks a few days ago and thought the same thing you did but when I went to RealGM and saw you couldnt get him I figured it wasn't allowed. Thanks for clearing that up. I think he'd be a good person to add becuase he can shoot the ball and we DESPERATELY need a shooter.
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11/10/2005  4:38 PM
I doubt he could be kept around for MLE dollars. fuhgeddabotit
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11/10/2005  4:39 PM
Posted by firefly:

Under the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement, if Radmanovic is traded, he loses his Larry Bird rights with the team that trades for him.
That means that if the team that trades for him is over the salary cap next summer, they can offer Radmanovic only the midlevel exception, which is expected to be a starting salary of around $5 million.

That means we CAN trade for him, but the max we can offer him next summer is the MLE aka the Trevor Ariza trust fund. the max MLE is I believe a little more then the numbers he turned down from Seattle. Correc me if I'm wrong, please.

So, in summation, we can get him, if he's willing to come, and if he's not expecting a max type deal.



F that soft bastard go get me ruben patterson and miles. i dont care if their headcases, there both good and tough
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11/10/2005  4:42 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by firefly:

Under the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement, if Radmanovic is traded, he loses his Larry Bird rights with the team that trades for him.
That means that if the team that trades for him is over the salary cap next summer, they can offer Radmanovic only the midlevel exception, which is expected to be a starting salary of around $5 million.

That means we CAN trade for him, but the max we can offer him next summer is the MLE aka the Trevor Ariza trust fund. the max MLE is I believe a little more then the numbers he turned down from Seattle. Correc me if I'm wrong, please.

So, in summation, we can get him, if he's willing to come, and if he's not expecting a max type deal.



F that soft bastard go get me ruben patterson and miles. i dont care if their headcases, there both good and tough

We need a shooter more than we need tough. We have absolutely Zero outside shooting, teams just fill the post on Eddy becuase we have no threats from the outside
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11/10/2005  4:48 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

F that soft bastard go get me ruben patterson and miles. i dont care if their headcases, there both good and tough


*Knicks trade for Miles and Patterson. A week and three losses later, after continued poor offense by the Knicks...*

BRIGGS: oh no we are DONE. there is NO HOPE and god is dead to me and we will all die LONELY LONELY DEATHS. the knicks are crp and maggots will playfully gnaw at our eyeballs by the end of the week and there is NOTHING we can do about it. F these headcase bastards patterson and miles go get me radmanovic. i dont care if hes soft, he can shoot and we need a shooter
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11/10/2005  4:50 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by firefly:

Under the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement, if Radmanovic is traded, he loses his Larry Bird rights with the team that trades for him.
That means that if the team that trades for him is over the salary cap next summer, they can offer Radmanovic only the midlevel exception, which is expected to be a starting salary of around $5 million.

That means we CAN trade for him, but the max we can offer him next summer is the MLE aka the Trevor Ariza trust fund. the max MLE is I believe a little more then the numbers he turned down from Seattle. Correc me if I'm wrong, please.

So, in summation, we can get him, if he's willing to come, and if he's not expecting a max type deal.



F that soft bastard go get me ruben patterson and miles. i dont care if their headcases, there both good and tough

We need a shooter more than we need tough. We have absolutely Zero outside shooting, teams just fill the post on Eddy becuase we have no threats from the outside


We need toughness first, and besides both patterson and miles are better skill players. I could care less about a soft 6-10 serbian who turned down 45mm who shoots 3s.
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11/10/2005  4:51 PM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by BRIGGS:

F that soft bastard go get me ruben patterson and miles. i dont care if their headcases, there both good and tough


*Knicks trade for Miles and Patterson. A week and three losses later, after continued poor offense by the Knicks...*

BRIGGS: oh no we are DONE. there is NO HOPE and god is dead to me and we will all die LONELY LONELY DEATHS. the knicks are crp and maggots will playfully gnaw at our eyeballs by the end of the week and there is NOTHING we can do about it. F these headcase bastards patterson and miles go get me radmanovic. i dont care if hes soft, he can shoot and we need a shooter

At least that would be more interesting than stat analysis.
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11/10/2005  4:54 PM
Posted by Knight:


At least that would be more interesting than stat analysis.

What the hell does that mean?


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11/11/2005  8:49 AM
I would be happy if we get Radmanovic. And, although I would like to get Miles, I agree that we need Radmanovic more than Miles right now.
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