I agree with what you guys are saying for the most part, and I knew that the knicks would start out slow, i just didnt know they'd start off 0-4 (potentially 0-9 by the time the knicks get back to msg) slow. its an even worse start than last year, but I am not going to start motioning for LB to be fired or anything until at least 20 games into the season, becuase I beleive that the knicks will have to actually get worse before they can get better, I think that the knicks can dramatically improve later on in the season, once Larry Brown has everything figured out. our defense still isn't as good as it probably can be but I find noticably improved over last year, but our offense looks like a college team's offense

but larry brown should soon change that as well. also I hope butler plays in the next game he seemed to be pretty good in the preseason.