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HARDCOREKNICKSFAN
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6/29/2002  3:09 PM
Now that we all know that McDyess & Spree are close friends, and that McDyess is publicly lobbying for Spree to STAY in NY, why not explore the possibilities of trading Allan Houston? After all, it would FINALLY let Scott LayDown live down having given all that cash to someone NOT worth $100 million in the first place...

Just to feel out the numbers, I managed to get this trade to work in RealGM: 653735, and better ones are 654787, 654840...

Contrary to popular belief, a Base Year Contract that high is far from impossible to move.

If anyone has any fresh ideas or better RealGM trade codes (that were accepted), please post them. I am anxious to see what my fellow Real Knicks Fans come up with.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 06/29/2002 15:29:17]

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 06/29/2002 15:56:50]
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6/29/2002  3:37 PM
I don't know why the Blazers would want those, it would make absolutely no sense for them. The big move has been done for the Knicks, now they just need smaller pieces like a scoring PG (Van Exel) and an athletic big man (Clark) or a defensive big man (?).
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6/29/2002  3:37 PM
Man those trades are outrageous, Giving up Rasheed and Bonzi for Allan + Scrubs?

Nice try though. The way I figure it, we'll be looking at AH his face for a long time unless the NYK are willing to take on a headache from some other team or strangely enough someone needs a scorer badly to put them over the hump and advance into the second round of the playoffs or something like that.

Best bets for possible trades are Scottie Pippen, Shawn Kemp, Juwan Howard, Derrick Coleman and maybe even Karl Malone.
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6/29/2002  3:49 PM
It will never happen but this is a reasonable trade, NYK get bigger and cap relief in two years (granted Kemp is WAYYY over the hill but what do you want, AH his contract is obscene).

Ruben Patterson, Shawn Kemp and Zach Randolph for Allan Houston, Kurt Thomas and Travis Knight.

Problem with the tradechecker is (although this trade got accepted) is those are last season salaries. I know AH his contract has a yearly 19% raise so it's possible this trade in real life doesn't work.
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6/29/2002  4:05 PM
Yeah I know some of those deals are stretching it, but I know it's gotta be possible to move him for someone decent... I'll try some of those suggestions in the checker too. The last Portland trade I tried was #654840 where just Rasheed and Ruben were traded.

BTW, thanks for the note re: the RealGM trade ckecker- I thought the salaries were updated for this coming year...
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6/29/2002  6:38 PM
Nah those salaries are not as of yet updated. Maybe after July 5th when the cap is known as well.
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6/30/2002  2:01 AM
I think the Knicks should keep the core of this team intact.
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6/30/2002  4:29 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

The big move has been done for the Knicks, now they just need smaller pieces like a scoring PG (Van Exel)

Nah, I don't think they should load the team with too many scorers..
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6/30/2002  10:14 AM
I agree, Explosive23: NO VAN EXEL!

Let's give Williams a chance.

As for Houston, it is not impossible to trade him because there a few players around the league with similarly crazy contracts. But I think we should keep him. I think we have the best trio in the East with he, Dice and Sprewell so let's keep them together.

Houston will benefit a lot from the presence of McDyess. Remember how Ewing used to create many more oppurtunities for Allan? That's what will happen here. Houston hasn't played with a dominant big man for awhile but hopefully Antonio will be the man to change that.

Leave McDyess one-on-one and he'll burn ya. Double team him and he'll give out to Houston for the outside shot. Dice will also open things up for Sprewell to penetrate. That's the plan, at least.

Just give our new "Big Three" a chance. If we makea trade now it should be getting rid of Kurt Thomas and getting back a quality center.
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6/30/2002  4:20 PM
I agree with ya, McFan23!
All in all I'd want to keep the Big 3 together (as well as Williams & Kurt, if possible). It's just that I feel that before they cut their own throats & trade Spree (which should be a dead issue now), Scott LayDown should trade Allan. It was his mistake to pay this cat $100M, so getting rid of that contract is the quickest way for him to live that blunder down. However, If all 3 Big Guns stay intact and show results on the court (& in the standings), our embattled GM can finally redeem himself and win over fans who are still leerie about him (like me).
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6/30/2002  4:30 PM
I agree also. If we can keep the core of the team together and pick up a couple of decent big men through trade or sign with the exemption, Layden may be GM of the year. OK maybe a little overstated, but he would definately win over the fans. Of course it's all about results on the court. After all, how many Mets fans thought they would be beating up on the Braves this year after their off season signings?
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6/30/2002  5:58 PM
Allan Houston's contract isn't necessarily impossible but don't think you could get equal or better value for him.. Either two things involved with the contract. a) you get rid of it by receiving contracts that will end the next yr. Ex.(Juwan Howard) or you get back decent players in return which i personally wouldn't be prudent. Allan houston is an all-star and if knicks are going to trade him then they should receive an all-star in return.
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7/1/2002  11:16 AM
Posted by knicksbb10:

Allan Houston's contract isn't necessarily impossible but don't think you could get equal or better value for him.. Either two things involved with the contract. a) you get rid of it by receiving contracts that will end the next yr. Ex.(Juwan Howard) or you get back decent players in return which i personally wouldn't be prudent. Allan houston is an all-star and if knicks are going to trade him then they should receive an all-star in return.

All-Star caliber guards are a dime a dozen. If you expect to get a forward in return for Allan, you had better lower you expectations…The best you could hope for is a nice complimentary player for him, which is what the Knicks need in this stage of the game anyway. I say trade his a--, and take anything you can get for him…just make sure you trade him to some western conference team…I don't want him coming back to haunt us in the east…

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7/1/2002  7:28 PM
All of you trade Allan fanatics are so silly to me. He has 87.5 million left on his contract for 5 years, that averages to about 17 million a year. Lets say he made 72 million over these next 5 (about 14 million a year), would you hate Allan as much then? My point here (a point someone else made a few weeks ago) Allan is an All-star caliber player. He averages 20 points a game, he can shoot from anywhere on the floor create his own shot, and take you off the dribble (although he doesn't do it often enough for me). But I think instead of focussing on an overpaid player who is very valuable to our team, why not focus on overpaid players who contribute nothing to the team?!??!?!
For instance:

Travis knight whose contract totals 8.4 million over 2 years. He contributes absolutely nothing to the team; NOTHING!!!

Shandon Anderson (who is a good defender, a decent slasher,decent jumper but how much does he really contribute? How many minutes a game does he log 15? Is it worth 36.5 million over five years (about 7.2 million a year)? No its's worth that over 10 years (thats 3.6 million a year for the mathematically challenged). I mean for crying out loud he's making slightly less (about a .5 million less) than Marcus Camby who was a core part of our team (when he was healthy enough to play).

Howard Eisley 31.5 over 5 years? WHAT? I actually liked him, I remembered him from Utah and how well he played in the playoffs, and how good he was from 3. And I remember his first good game as a knick and we were all so happy, and then it all went down hill. I just don't think he could handle the pressure of the garden, but I do think he will be a solid player somewhere else. But what does he really do for our team? I mean we are talking about 6 million a year here, thats a lot of friggin money for someone who averages like 3 points a game. I mean if DNP stood for "damn nice pass" you would think he was leading the league in assists.


Charlie Ward Does he deservde 12.5 over 2 years. Not really, but come on, Charlie has done a lot of good things for this team over the years, he has made big shots and he has been solid.............just not 6 million a year worth of solid. More appropriately he should be making between 2 and 4 million a year.


My overall point is this, stop knocking AH because he took an offer that scott layden made to him. Would you have turned it down? Does he make too much money? Yes. Is it on the level of the other overpaid players in the league? No. The key difference is that AH is a key part of this team, and if we end up getting less value for him in a trade, our team will suck as a result.

I mean the fact that I hear talk of a trade of Allan for Kemp and Ruben Patterson, are you high? Kemp is a player whose usefulness in this league has passed by, and he is about as in shape and energetic as a 70 year old sumo wrestler. He sucks point blank. Ruben patterson an OKay player?Yes. Kobe Stopper?Hell no. He stops him for about 32 ppg. Ruben is decent at best.

I mean have you allowed some deep-rooted hatred of Allan interfere with logical thinking. Right now, With AH,Spree and DICE, we look very good. And if we get Jaron Collins and/or Jerome James to switch off at center, I think we have a legitimate shot at the finals.

We have a core right now, all we need are good/decent role players. Stop crying about Allan on put some perspective on your anger. Blame Scott not Allan. ANd even when you blame scott, look at our team right now, we look very good, we have three All-star caliber players on the team.
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7/1/2002  11:38 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

All of you trade Allan fanatics are so silly to me. He has 87.5 million left on his contract for 5 years, that averages to about 17 million a year. Lets say he made 72 million over these next 5 (about 14 million a year), would you hate Allan as much then? My point here (a point someone else made a few weeks ago) Allan is an All-star caliber player. He averages 20 points a game, he can shoot from anywhere on the floor create his own shot, and take you off the dribble (although he doesn't do it often enough for me). But I think instead of focussing on an overpaid player who is very valuable to our team, why not focus on overpaid players who contribute nothing to the team?!??!?!
For instance:

Travis knight whose contract totals 8.4 million over 2 years. He contributes absolutely nothing to the team; NOTHING!!!

Shandon Anderson (who is a good defender, a decent slasher,decent jumper but how much does he really contribute? How many minutes a game does he log 15? Is it worth 36.5 million over five years (about 7.2 million a year)? No its's worth that over 10 years (thats 3.6 million a year for the mathematically challenged). I mean for crying out loud he's making slightly less (about a .5 million less) than Marcus Camby who was a core part of our team (when he was healthy enough to play).

Howard Eisley 31.5 over 5 years? WHAT? I actually liked him, I remembered him from Utah and how well he played in the playoffs, and how good he was from 3. And I remember his first good game as a knick and we were all so happy, and then it all went down hill. I just don't think he could handle the pressure of the garden, but I do think he will be a solid player somewhere else. But what does he really do for our team? I mean we are talking about 6 million a year here, thats a lot of friggin money for someone who averages like 3 points a game. I mean if DNP stood for "damn nice pass" you would think he was leading the league in assists.


Charlie Ward Does he deservde 12.5 over 2 years. Not really, but come on, Charlie has done a lot of good things for this team over the years, he has made big shots and he has been solid.............just not 6 million a year worth of solid. More appropriately he should be making between 2 and 4 million a year.


My overall point is this, stop knocking AH because he took an offer that scott layden made to him. Would you have turned it down? Does he make too much money? Yes. Is it on the level of the other overpaid players in the league? No. The key difference is that AH is a key part of this team, and if we end up getting less value for him in a trade, our team will suck as a result.

I mean the fact that I hear talk of a trade of Allan for Kemp and Ruben Patterson, are you high? Kemp is a player whose usefulness in this league has passed by, and he is about as in shape and energetic as a 70 year old sumo wrestler. He sucks point blank. Ruben patterson an OKay player?Yes. Kobe Stopper?Hell no. He stops him for about 32 ppg. Ruben is decent at best.

I mean have you allowed some deep-rooted hatred of Allan interfere with logical thinking. Right now, With AH,Spree and DICE, we look very good. And if we get Jaron Collins and/or Jerome James to switch off at center, I think we have a legitimate shot at the finals.

We have a core right now, all we need are good/decent role players. Stop crying about Allan on put some perspective on your anger. Blame Scott not Allan. ANd even when you blame scott, look at our team right now, we look very good, we have three All-star caliber players on the team.
I don't blame Houston for taking the $100 mil, but I do blame Layden for giving it to him. As for "hating" Houston, I don't hate him. I'm just disappointed. At $100 million, he is a lightning rod for disenchanted fans. He makes that much money, and he dribbles the ball off his foot near the end of close games?

At $100 mil, I think he can take a little criticism.
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7/1/2002  11:40 PM
Well said knickgeek....I concur 100%.
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7/2/2002  1:12 AM
Well said. Those were actually my sentiments when I started this thread. All we keep hearing is how impossible it is to trade Allan Houston. Dyess wants both Spree and Houston to stay, but especially Spree. Exploring Houston's trade possibilities is logical analysis. Nothing silly about that.
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7/2/2002  11:42 AM
I still don't understand why Houston was paid 100 million when the highest any other team could have paid him was 70 million. I think we should trade him for anything that will get his ridiculous contract off the books in the next two years. Layden has some more work to do to make up for signing average palyers (Eisley, Spoon, Anderson) to more than they could make anywhere else.
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7/2/2002  1:27 PM
Why? He's a sharpshooter that hasn't had a low post presence in years. Having McDyess on the block is going to do wonders for him.
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7/2/2002  1:41 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

Why? He's a sharpshooter that hasn't had a low post presence in years. Having McDyess on the block is going to do wonders for him.

McDyess will do wonders for both he and Spree. Houston can't be doubled off of, Spree can dive to the hole, Thomas can hit the 15 footer and hopefully the PG can sit on the 3 point line and drain bombs.
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