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NY can or can't handle a youth movement? Which is it already?
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islesfan
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11/4/2005  11:08 AM
It's hysterical that the same people who cried that New York would never accept rebuilding with young players are the same ones who are now crying about playing the young players as much as possible.

If we were going to do that then why did we make the Marbury trade? By the time these young guys are hopefully ready to contend, Marbury will be very much on the downside of his career. If we were going to go with youth and you think NY can handle it <sarcasm> then we should have really done it right and stockpiled lottery picks and gotten under the cap. Not to mention we seem to have a coach that wants to win now instead of develop the young players. But that's another topic.
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Marv
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11/4/2005  11:19 AM
isn't a lot of this just overreating to a loss? we hit one more ft in regulation and win that stupid game and everyone would be crowing and praising. the talk would be how lb's a genius and taking pressure off the rookies and working them in at the right pace, using the vets to maximum value, etc. we just have to prepare for a lot of emotional reaction during these first few games especially because everyone's been wound up from a LONG and intense offseason and is on pins and needles to see how this is all going to work out.
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11/4/2005  11:22 AM
Hysterical? Hysteria!

islesfan
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11/4/2005  11:23 AM
If AD, Rose and Mo T had big games and the Knicks won by 14 instead of losing by 14, I think the same questions would be asked as to why the young guys didn't get any PT. Not to mention if LB didn't have a history of sitting his young players.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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11/4/2005  11:31 AM
If AD, Rose and Mo T had big games and the Knicks won by 14 instead of losing by 14, I think the same questions would be asked as to why the young guys didn't get any PT. Not to mention if LB didn't have a history of sitting his young players.

same questons yeah but you think the entire tone would be different? i think the whole thing comes down to wins ansd losses. lb always gets a big pass on darko because his team won. at the same time he got killed on wade amare lebron and melo in the olympics because they lost. i think it's obvious - all right to me anyway - that frye, lee and nate can play and that larry treated them like real players during the preseason. i trust that he's going to work them in and eventually rely on them. but in the meantime we lose games where he doesn't play them then there is going to be hysteria among fans. we win - and my prediction is everyone will have patience. you know the effect of losing for passionate fans is VERY strong and produces emotional not logical reasoning. right?
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11/4/2005  11:37 AM
excellent post Marv. I agree with you 100%

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11/4/2005  11:43 AM
I'm happy with everything that has transpired to date.

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11/4/2005  11:44 AM
sorry, let me elaborate...

there is no doubt in my mind that frye will be getting big minutes and it won't be due to an injury...i think LB wants to bring frye along slow and is really just hoping that the vets don't perform before bringing in the utes.

As the season progressesl, I think we will be seeing more of the youth movement and it will coincide with W's.

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11/4/2005  11:50 AM
i would not be satisfied if we win games now with malik, mo, and AD getting the minutes over nate, frye, and lee. yes, winning is important but i know that winning with the old dogs ULTIMATELY leads to nothing b/c we won't be winning championships with them AND we will be sacrificing our "future" in the process.

will the tone be different if we win? yes.
but it still hurts our future in the process, imho.
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11/4/2005  11:50 AM
right now zeke is trying to get younger but stay competitive at the same time thats why he traded for draft picks and traded for vets. LB and Zeke dont have to be starting a full blown "youth movement" ,like the celtics are, in order to play frye and nate a couple of minutes a game becuase the play with more heart and tenacity then certain vets. Thats what I think certain fans are complaining about. anyway based upon all the quotes from the newspapers LB will play the rookies at some point, I for one am not too upset about him not playing them right now becuase will they are possibly better than certain vets on our team theyre still rookies who will make to's and rookie mistakes, thats why LB doesnt play them right away. I think the prudent thing to do is to ease them into the rotation slowly so that they get enough play time to develop, but not enough play time to majorly screw up.



[Edited by - slimpack on 11-04-2005 11:55 AM]
islesfan
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11/4/2005  11:52 AM
I agree with you about the tone. There's always going to be people going crazy one way or the other but that doesn't mean that the questions don't have any validity. If they make the playoffs but don't develop the young players then this is a wasted year.
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11/4/2005  11:52 AM
and to answer the question if ny can handle a youth moevement, i have no idea b/c i can't remember anyone ever coming out (in any sports team in nyc) just coming out and saying we're playing the young guys.
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11/4/2005  12:21 PM
NY can't handle it. 3 NHL teams, THe nets, two NFL teams, and two MLB teams all compteting for similar dollars. Forget they are YOUR team and consider them a product in a market. They must stay relevant or be doomed for a long time. POrtland has no competition and can keep a fan base while rebuilding. Many citys can handle it. San antonio, Houstan, Cleveland, seattle, Sacremento, Warriors, Orlando all dont' have NHL teams, and some they are the only game in town.

We dug a hole a few years back and have to slowly get out of it and still keep a "buzz".

If we play the Ute and they suck, then hope is lost. You either win or got hope. Otherwise your a dead "product".
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11/4/2005  12:24 PM
If they're good youth, well coached youth, absolutely. When you get a good draft pick, a talented youngster, he needs to be out on the court getting experience, not rotting on the bench. Other teams seem to understand this.

What has playing the vets over the past five years gotten us?
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11/4/2005  12:33 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

and to answer the question if ny can handle a youth moevement, i have no idea b/c i can't remember anyone ever coming out (in any sports team in nyc) just coming out and saying we're playing the young guys.

Fred Wilpon wouldn't admit to it two years ago but he tried it. All Met fans screamed we need to rebuild, well it didn't translate into ticket sales back in 2004, so he went out and got a GM who tried to get stars in there. Look at what the Rangers are now doing. I really don't think you are allowed to say rebuilding in this town. Look at the Giants and Ernie. He wouldn't admit to that last season. "Going in a different direction." Brown was brought in to add credibility and educate. My only issue is that Frye, Butler, Lee and Ariza may be better than their veteran counterparts right now. They may give you the better chance at winning. You won't know unless they play.

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11/4/2005  12:38 PM
The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling!.
That's what it sounds like with all this talk about why the Rookies aren't playing, well at least 1/3 of them played significant mins, Nate!. The kids will get there time to shine everybody including IT and LB know who can play and who can't, all along they have been saying the Kids are doing well, so we all just have to be patient, let LB and IT do what they are getting paid big BUCKS for!.
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11/4/2005  12:55 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i would not be satisfied if we win games now with malik, mo, and AD getting the minutes over nate, frye, and lee. yes, winning is important but i know that winning with the old dogs ULTIMATELY leads to nothing b/c we won't be winning championships with them AND we will be sacrificing our "future" in the process.

will the tone be different if we win? yes.
but it still hurts our future in the process, imho.


told the words right out of my mouth. What's the frickin point. We're not getting anywhere with the rose, taylor & AD's of the world logging more minutes than they should. I hope LArry is just giving these guys a fair chance before he starts the rookies. December is not too far away I guess. The rookies better all be playing by then!
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