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Killa4luv
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11/3/2005  10:50 AM
You guys are a bunch of panzies. If Stephon played like this guy did last night, you ****ing punks would be torching him.

Crawford played like a bitch last night.
11 points 3 for 11, 3 assists 6 Turnovers!?!?!?!?
Thats unacceptable, and his turnovers came in the 4th and overtime too. He was ineffective last night on offense, and HORRIBLE on defense. He made Delonte West feel real comfy right from the moment he checked in. We needed more offensive production from him especially if he's gonna suck like that handling the ball and on D.

22 from Marbs and 19 from Curry was plenty even though they both should have been closer to 30 with freethrows.

But our secondary scorers: Q and Craw HAVE to give us at least 15 ppg. We wont win many with an 11 point outing from both of them. Q just started playing and didn't get many minutes, but for Craw there is no excuse. I'm not saying trade him because of last night (although I'm not against trading him) but I am saying he cannot play this way if we are trying to win. Curry and Marbs were around what I believe their averages will be, I see around 20 for Marbs and 20 or more for Curry, but Craw has to hold his end of the deal up.

Craw gave us 17 ppg last year and we will need that from him this year as well if he is gonna be a part of us winning.

And his ****ing defense needs to step up. I just want some consistancy. If Marbs played that poorly alot of you guys would have your panties in a bunch right now. Freethrows, Rebounds, & Crawford all could have been the difference maker for us. If ONE of those things was taken care of, we would have won it in regulation.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 11-03-2005 10:51 AM]
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11/3/2005  10:52 AM
If Marbury doesnt shoot 5-12 from the FT line your not posting this today
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11/3/2005  10:55 AM
First game,,,,Marb will be a lot better shooting his FTs..
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11/3/2005  10:57 AM
Craw for Miller?
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11/3/2005  10:58 AM
Posted by fishmike:

If Marbury doesnt shoot 5-12 from the FT line your not posting this today


exactly..

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11/3/2005  11:00 AM
he is right though, if marbs played like crawford we'd all be calling for his head, he put in his average and what we expect from him 20/8...I think he had 22/7...that's what we expect from marbs, missed free throws and all, we got marbs.

Can the same be said for Craw or Rose?

Q got hurt, but he was hitting three's like H20...It's gonna be a helluva season!
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11/3/2005  11:00 AM
First game. If guys are missing free throws due to fatigue, are they going to be air balling them during crunch time at the end of the season and the playoffs? It's the first game of the season. These are professional athletes. Not junior high schoolers. They should be used to shooting while being tired by now. It's the first game of the season. I am a bball player myself. Free throws are EASY!!!! No excuse for your superstar to be missing 5-12 and the so called franchise center of the future to be missing almost all of them. Even Shaq hits free throws during crunch time.
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11/3/2005  11:03 AM
Easy for you to say.

Posted by Allanfan20:

First game. If guys are missing free throws due to fatigue, are they going to be air balling them during crunch time at the end of the season and the playoffs? It's the first game of the season. These are professional athletes. Not junior high schoolers. They should be used to shooting while being tired by now. It's the first game of the season. I am a bball player myself. Free throws are EASY!!!! No excuse for your superstar to be missing 5-12 and the so called franchise center of the future to be missing almost all of them. Even Shaq hits free throws during crunch time.


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11/3/2005  11:05 AM
Posted by fishmike:

If Marbury doesnt shoot 5-12 from the FT line your not posting this today

If Curry didn't miss 7 straight free throws we wouldn't be talking about Steph going 5-12. Crawford had 3 turnovers in the last 5 minutes of the game. Who says this guy can't replace Allan. Just kidding. Free throws, free throws and oh yeah free throws. You can't give away 18 points and still expect to win.

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11/3/2005  11:07 AM
Lets stop pointing fingers, we win as a TEAM and lose as a TEAM
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11/3/2005  11:11 AM
Posted by fishmike:

If Marbury doesnt shoot 5-12 from the FT line your not posting this today


But Pierce, who is just as good a free throw shooter, missed 6 himself. Including one that could have iced the game in the final seconds or regulation.
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11/3/2005  11:44 AM
crawford was pissed he wasn't starting, especially after being notified 90 mins before gametime. and it showed as he played pretty scared offensively last night. he clearly wasn't sure when to shoot, where to shoot, or when to pass, hence getting caught in the air many times. he did hit 2 nice three's when he had his feet set and he did contribute in other areas like on the boards and made a few nice passes. he had alot of turnovers but i'm not mad at that, just like i'm not mad at marbury's. there was really only one time when he just jocked a shot up like last year.

it was an overall bad game from him and i hope he bounces back on friday, whether he's starting or not.

i just hope there are no mind games being played here.

i am curious as to why he wasn't notified earlier about not starting since he played ALOT in the preseason.

but he's a grown-up and he's making $56+ mil so at the end of the day, he needs to get over it.

more cause for concern is frye not playing.

everything gets magnified during a loss, especially one like last night but the only things i think lb will be stressing is the rebounding and the missed ft's. the offense will take time.
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11/3/2005  11:47 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

crawford was pissed he wasn't starting, especially after being notified 90 mins before gametime. and it showed as he played pretty scared offensively last night. he clearly wasn't sure when to shoot, where to shoot, or when to pass, hence getting caught in the air many times. he did hit 2 nice three's when he had his feet set and he did contribute in other areas like on the boards and made a few nice passes. he had alot of turnovers but i'm not mad at that, just like i'm not mad at marbury's. there was really only one time when he just jocked a shot up like last year.

it was an overall bad game from him and i hope he bounces back on friday, whether he's starting or not.

i just hope there are no mind games being played here.

i am curious as to why he wasn't notified earlier about not starting since he played ALOT in the preseason.

but he's a grown-up and he's making $56+ mil so at the end of the day, he needs to get over it.

more cause for concern is frye not playing.

everything gets magnified during a loss, especially one like last night but the only things i think lb will be stressing is the rebounding and the missed ft's. the offense will take time.

To be honest, Brown hasn't handle his players with much professionalism. Its funny the guys who craved for it from others do the least to show it in return. Same complaints occured at every stops along his career and during the Olympics.

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11/3/2005  11:48 AM
Crawford said, "I'll be professional and be ready when my number is called. That's it. That's my statement. I'm done with it. I'll be professional, be ready when my number is called."


He still got his minutes and he lost the game for us big time down the stretch......behind the back dribbles in traffic? He was doing a whole lot of stupid stuff.

Bottom line is free throws but Craw killed it for the Knicks. Q had to be cramping up or something. Q seemed very confident and I'm sure he would have came through if he were in there.....I would have even liked to see Nate in there.

Game one was promising....but we got Larry Brown so I'm sure he is gonna make guys pay for it especially Craw.
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11/3/2005  11:51 AM
Posted by fishmike:

If Marbury doesnt shoot 5-12 from the FT line your not posting this today
You are right, and I said as much in my closing 2 sentences:
Freethrows, Rebounds, & Crawford all could have been the difference maker for us. If ONE of those things was taken care of, we would have won it in regulation.

I wont allow anyone to scapegoat our best player when he played well, singlehandledly kept us in the game but fell short in one aspect. Same with Curry, he played well, alot of his shots rimmed out in the last minutes but he had good looks.

One of our very important players player horribly throughout.

If Crawford just plays decently on O and D we win that game comfortably.

But my overall point is, some of you guys are so hipocritical. If steph played like that there would be trade threads and Steph bashing galore.

When Craw sux, the response is, if Marbs played an even better game it wouldn't have mattered. Thats a double standard, and it is also something I kinda already pointed out, not just for Marbs but for Curry as well. Why not if Curry hit his fts? Its unreal how the spinmeisters find a way to spin it.

Marbs played very well. Curry Played Well. Craw played horribly. But lets focus on Marbury?

There something wrong with that.
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11/3/2005  11:53 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:


To be honest, Brown hasn't handle his players with much professionalism. Its funny the guys who craved for it from others do the least to show it in return. Same complaints occured at every stops along his career and during the Olympics.

i was not a big fan of how lb made the whole pg debate so public in the media. he kept talking about how he doesn't know who's playing pg or sg or who does what and when. those type of things does nothing but bring on more doubt, not only in the fans but players and unwarranted pressure. i mean, he's proven that he knows what he's doing so all we can do is trust him. it's just that "i" wouldn't have made that whole situation public.
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Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by fishmike:

If Marbury doesnt shoot 5-12 from the FT line your not posting this today
You are right, and I said as much in my closing 2 sentences:
Freethrows, Rebounds, & Crawford all could have been the difference maker for us. If ONE of those things was taken care of, we would have won it in regulation.

I wont allow anyone to scapegoat our best player when he played well, singlehandledly kept us in the game but fell short in one aspect. Same with Curry, he played well, alot of his shots rimmed out in the last minutes but he had good looks.

One of our very important players player horribly throughout.

If Crawford just plays decently on O and D we win that game comfortably.

But my overall point is, some of you guys are so hipocritical. If steph played like that there would be trade threads and Steph bashing galore.

When Craw sux, the response is, if Marbs played an even better game it wouldn't have mattered. Thats a double standard, and it is also something I kinda already pointed out, not just for Marbs but for Curry as well. Why not if Curry hit his fts? Its unreal how the spinmeisters find a way to spin it.

Marbs played very well. Curry Played Well. Craw played horribly. But lets focus on Marbury?

There something wrong with that.


marbury is an easy target. and his "rep" keeps getting stronger and stronger the more games he doesn't carry the team for wins. of course, the rep is mostly media spin (although some has to go to marbs). but a solid game last night is not enough from him according to most. if it wasn't for him, we aren't in the game, but b/c he missed ft's late, we lose the game. that's just how it goes. it's the same argument, 21&7...and for what? another loss.

me, personally, i like marbury. i think he's a heck of a player. i think he's also proven that he can't do it himself and that's OK, not everyone can. only problem is that this team really isn't being built around him. it's being built around the young guys otherwise we would have someone like SAR here. so will marbury be the guy here when/if we turn this around or is he just the stop-gap?
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11/3/2005  12:08 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by fishmike:

If Marbury doesnt shoot 5-12 from the FT line your not posting this today
You are right, and I said as much in my closing 2 sentences:
Freethrows, Rebounds, & Crawford all could have been the difference maker for us. If ONE of those things was taken care of, we would have won it in regulation.

I wont allow anyone to scapegoat our best player when he played well, singlehandledly kept us in the game but fell short in one aspect. Same with Curry, he played well, alot of his shots rimmed out in the last minutes but he had good looks.

One of our very important players player horribly throughout.

If Crawford just plays decently on O and D we win that game comfortably.

But my overall point is, some of you guys are so hipocritical. If steph played like that there would be trade threads and Steph bashing galore.

When Craw sux, the response is, if Marbs played an even better game it wouldn't have mattered. Thats a double standard, and it is also something I kinda already pointed out, not just for Marbs but for Curry as well. Why not if Curry hit his fts? Its unreal how the spinmeisters find a way to spin it.

Marbs played very well. Curry Played Well. Craw played horribly. But lets focus on Marbury?

There something wrong with that.


marbury is an easy target. and his "rep" keeps getting stronger and stronger the more games he doesn't carry the team for wins. of course, the rep is mostly media spin (although some has to go to marbs). but a solid game last night is not enough from him according to most. if it wasn't for him, we aren't in the game, but b/c he missed ft's late, we lose the game. that's just how it goes. it's the same argument, 21&7...and for what? another loss.

me, personally, i like marbury. i think he's a heck of a player. i think he's also proven that he can't do it himself and that's OK, not everyone can. only problem is that this team really isn't being built around him. it's being built around the young guys otherwise we would have someone like SAR here. so will marbury be the guy here when/if we turn this around or is he just the stop-gap?
If Craw is one of the young guys we are building around, I am concerned about that. If he never really gets it, he needs to be shipped out west, for a SF or SG. He can still be a really good player on the right team, ours may not be that team.




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11/3/2005  12:10 PM
It is not fair the criticism that Marb gets from fans and the media. He worked really hard guarding two guys that really were 6" taller than him, and still managed to put up big numbers. Curry missed 5 shots in the second half that could have kept us ahead, Barnes took 2 crazy shots and Crawff was 3 for 11 from the floor which really killed us. Layoff of Marb's back...He is not to blame for what happened last night...The coach has a lot to do with the lost also, because Curry clearly looked like he was spent, because James was unable to provide the help that he should have.
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11/3/2005  12:17 PM
note the marbs backers and bashers...hopefully when marbs carries the team to victory (like he has in the past) they will say marbs played great...no, they will say [insert role player here] had a great tip in for their only points in the game but that's what won it.

This game was all overtime and from my standpoint, marbs was the only one playing in overtime.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 11-03-2005 12:19 PM]
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