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djsunyc
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11/3/2005  9:31 AM
- i'm not worried about the turnovers. it was expected as it will take time. counter argument could be milwaukee. they have 4 new starters from last year and seem to look VERY comfortable together. is this a result of a simplified offense, of having a great pg, or of things just clicking for whatever reason? who knows but it looks like it will take time with us.

- crawford looked nervous and i was suprised to hear how upset he was about not starting. he was one of the best players in preseason and he was told he wasn't going to start 90 mins before the game...so i guess he should be upset. maybe it was how lb handled it but i hope he can move past this and that lb isn't playing any mind games with the young guys.

- what happened to going inside out? seemed like we abandoned that early.

- the big game is just disgusting and i wouldn't be surprised if he's ENTRENCHED on the bench within a month.

- i thought marbury had a very good game and was trying to fit into lb's type of game. his defensive effort was VERY good. but ultimately, he did miss a lot of free throws (along with curry) that cost us the game in regulation.

- rebounding is a big red flag. where will it come from on a consistent basis? is this something that needs to be learned or is it more of a personnel issue? time will tell.

- which brings me to why the hell did frye not play? almost all other lottery picks got minutes except for frye. even nate got minutes. i don't buy the bring him along slowly routine b/c he was drafted based purely on the fact that he can go now. he needs to get minutes friday or i will be concerned.

frye really is my only major question from last night's loss. i thought we played ok, and some played scared. i thought we were trying but it looked like we played with pressure on us. is the pressure from lb or from the media? i'm not sure but they sure didn't look comfortable out there. and despite that and all the missed ft's (the real reason we lost), we did tie it in regulation and push overtime - something that DEFINITELY wouldn't have happened the past 2 years.

oh well, one game down, 81 more to go. i don't think friday is a must win but it would suck to go on a 6 game western trip with a 1-2 or 0-3 record.
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11/3/2005  10:06 AM
MORE MO TAYLOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11/3/2005  10:17 AM
I can understand Mo T playing 20 minutes last night b/c he was decent, but the rebounding was still terrible. I thought AD was playing decent, but he just can't play 33 minutes. He's 37, and doesn't even want to play here!
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11/3/2005  10:20 AM
no reason why frye wasn't in there, crawford better snap out of it or I have no problem with him being shipped out of town for a quality SF...a carmelo type of pierce for that matter.

Other than that, Boston's home opener...we took it to overtime.

Same thing happened to phoenix, only they lost at home.

Boston is going to be tough, but in reality, they won't be, they are a two man team right now.

On the flip side, Jersey got blown out.


[Edited by - rvhoss on 11-03-2005 10:21 AM]
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11/3/2005  10:53 AM
-Curry looked very good & then he looked very tired. Are FT problems going to be a problem with this guy?
-AD. Not bad. But Frye needs to get 20 minutes a night.
-Mo. Are we show-casing this bum? Is that worth our kids losing PT? I don't think so.
-Ariza makes things happen. Stick with him.
-Barnes is a keeper.
-Craw. Oh boy. I've been of the mind of..."give this guy the benifit of the doubt, because of his youth & upside" but he just seems clueless about how to play the game. Furthermore, he seems passion-less.
-Q. Nice shooting. Did he get benched due to fatigue?
-Nate. Other than the ill-advised top of the key shot in the 4th quarter, he had a nice debut.
-Marbs. F-in free throws. Come on guy, win the game, it was right there for the taking. Stars are supposed to win these toss-up games.
Positives: Good first half re: offense. Curry looked like he will be a serious force. Excellent defense for the most part.
Negatives: Obvious stuff....rebounding, FT's, Craw's 2nd half & OT were just abysmal, not playing Frye. Jerome James looks downright awful.
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11/3/2005  11:08 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I can understand Mo T playing 20 minutes last night b/c he was decent, but the rebounding was still terrible. I thought AD was playing decent, but he just can't play 33 minutes. He's 37, and doesn't even want to play here!

Mo had 5 rebs in 22 minutes. But beyond the numbers i thought Mo T brought an attitude and confidence with him. He looked fluid. Barnes and Q did as well.

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/3/2005  11:12 AM
Marb guarding SGs from the other team is a very bad idea, especially when you have Crawff in the back court trying to defend the opposing team's PG. That kid from Boston (Delonte West) killed Crawfford last night. West was pretty much mute when Q was in there at SG, which enable Marb to defend him, but above all, West destroyed the combo of Crawff and Nate when they were trying to defend him. The correction that should be made is simple, Crawff should not be on the court at the same time with Marb, because that combo out of the back court is a huge defensive liability, and most of all, since they both have PG mentality, it forces them to commit too many TOs. A lineup suggestion to Larry, Marb, Q or Reezy, Barnes or Lee, AD with Frye backing him up, Curry with James backing him up is the way to go. The rotation at Center should be Curry, James, AD....@ PF, AD, Frye, and Mo.
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11/3/2005  11:32 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Allanfan20:

I can understand Mo T playing 20 minutes last night b/c he was decent, but the rebounding was still terrible. I thought AD was playing decent, but he just can't play 33 minutes. He's 37, and doesn't even want to play here!

Mo had 5 rebs in 22 minutes. But beyond the numbers i thought Mo T brought an attitude and confidence with him. He looked fluid. Barnes and Q did as well.

Q's back will continue to be a real topic. Did anyone else catch the fact that he had to have his back iced down twice! Not his hamstring.


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11/3/2005  11:34 AM
work in progress.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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11/3/2005  1:52 PM
-where was frye? rebounding was an issue, but is he worse than guys like mo or JJ? injury, possibly?
-where did you guys hear crawford was really upset about not starting?
-turnovers... i don't expect it to continue, our team play and decision making should get better soon as the season goes on and errors will be cut down. but it hurt.
-rebounding also hurt. our frontcourt was nothing special in that respect (play frye and lee! and butler!) but our backcourt really hurt too. our bigs contested the shots, their bigs grabbed boards and got putbacks. some of it will get better, but there's a limit to how much our rebounding can improve solely from practice and coaching- some has to be working on basic fundamentals, team D and rebounding, and committment to hustle.
-curry needs to get in shape. he had some good plays early, and hit the boards and D OK, but he seemed out of it after a certain point, things he was doing were not as effective later on. he and JJ need to pass more.
-i was pretty happy with the defense. we were relying on some young guys who will only get better, need to learn to avoid fouling. crawford and marbury i thought did good jobs, i think ricky davis actually did the least when marbury was on him.
-i like ariza and barnes. they're cool. got some learning to do, some jitters to get out (god, ariza, it was an open dunk!) but them along with Q is pretty good at the 3
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11/3/2005  3:43 PM
Mo played well...Rose got his shot blocked twice...I think it may be close to putting the MoT sucks chants to rest...5 boards in 22 minutes, and he was lights out from the field. Everytime he got the rock I was like "here comes simrud" but alas, he scored...

His complete line:
22 minutes, 4 for 6, 4 defensive boards (5 total), 2 blocked shots, 1 steal, 1 assist



[Edited by - rvhoss on 11-03-2005 3:47 PM]
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Masterplan
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11/3/2005  4:27 PM
anyone here think frye can put up 8 and 5 with a few blocks, steals, assists thrown in in 20 minutes? i would hope so. don't care for mo or rose.
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11/3/2005  5:00 PM
I agree...but rose didn't put it up. AD did the same. It just seemed like mo's points were in the offense (i.e. listening to brown) while AD's were put backs, etc.

I think Frye in the offense would get us 8/5 easy...and we know he can shoot free throws as well.

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11/3/2005  5:30 PM
I agree that Frye should get Rose's minutes. But if you want to trade Malik, you've got to showcase him a little. AD's minutes should come down. They'll have to anyway, he can't maintain that PT for the whole season.

I was impressed by Mo. Or I should say, he's not useless. He'll be good against other second unit PFs
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11/3/2005  9:26 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Mo played well...Rose got his shot blocked twice...I think it may be close to putting the MoT sucks chants to rest...5 boards in 22 minutes, and he was lights out from the field. Everytime he got the rock I was like "here comes simrud" but alas, he scored...

His complete line:
22 minutes, 4 for 6, 4 defensive boards (5 total), 2 blocked shots, 1 steal, 1 assist

[Edited by - rvhoss on 11-03-2005 3:47 PM]

Good to see Mo T getting some love when he actually earns it! He looked like a different player out there, very focused on both ends...
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11/4/2005  1:28 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

- i'm not worried about the turnovers. it was expected as it will take time. counter argument could be milwaukee. they have 4 new starters from last year and seem to look VERY comfortable together. is this a result of a simplified offense, of having a great pg, or of things just clicking for whatever reason? who knows but it looks like it will take time with us.

Bucks don't have a ton of turnovers because they have players who are under control. We got guys who are wild and try to do way too much. Passes or moves they shouldn't even try.


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11/4/2005  2:18 AM
AD got too many minutes. I watched the game again and he (and other guy) were not jumping for rebounds. My wife actually watched the game at home and pointed it out to me. We were actually not jumping for rebounds on numerous possesions!!!!!!!!

We needed some fresh legs and Frye woulda been bouncing all over the court last night. I truly believe he could have helped us win. I NEED to see him play tommorow.
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11/4/2005  7:44 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Allanfan20:

I can understand Mo T playing 20 minutes last night b/c he was decent, but the rebounding was still terrible. I thought AD was playing decent, but he just can't play 33 minutes. He's 37, and doesn't even want to play here!

Mo had 5 rebs in 22 minutes. But beyond the numbers i thought Mo T brought an attitude and confidence with him.
Yeah, 5 rbs in 22 min is about average for a PF.
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11/4/2005  7:45 AM
I agree with one poster from MSG who said that by benching Frye and Lee, Brown got the loss he deserved.
quick thoughts on last night's game (vs. bos)

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