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boomann
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11/2/2005  1:16 PM
those guys are some real deal holyfield player haters. I mean the way they talk you would thik Isiah had sex with all of their wives. Bill Simmons wrote this crap

THE FIVE DUMBEST ISIAH THOMAS MOVES OF THE OFFSEASON (IN REVERSE ORDER)



5. Jerome James for $30 million
So predictable, I even predicted it. Maybe the first lucrative free-agent signing whose confidence was completely shot before the preseason even ended. On the bright side, at least he has a weight problem.



4. Larry Brown for $60-plus million
He's one of the best five coaches of my lifetime. There's no question. But Brown has clearly established himself as a certain type of coach -- someone who takes over an underachieving team with quality veterans and teaches them how to win. He's notoriously impatient with young players, whether it was Detroit (Darko and Carlos Delfino), Athens (Carmelo, Wade and LeBron), Philly (Larry Hughes) or even Indiana (Jalen Rose and Travis Best). Well, have you taken a look at the Knicks? Not exactly a veteran team -- they're mostly rookies, second-year guys and young players who have driven their coaches crazy. Why is this a good situation for him? What's different between this situation and the '97 and '98 Philly teams that won a combined 60 games? Remember, those teams had Iverson, Hughes, Tim Thomas, Derrick Coleman, Theo Ratliff and others ... it took Brown three years to turn things around and five to make the Finals.



(Side note: If you're scoring at home, Larry Brown is 65 years old. When my father turns 65, I don't even want him shoveling snow anymore, much less coaching guys like Crawford, Marbury, Richardson and Curry and dealing with 3 a.m. phone calls from Isiah like, "Good news, I just traded four first-rounders, Penny Hardaway and cash for Zack Randolph!")



3. Kurt Thomas for Quentin Richardson and Nate Robinson
Classic "quarter for two dimes" trade. Everyone needs to settle down on Robinson, by the way. He's 5-foot-7 and he's not a point guard. That's a problem. In the NFL, he would be one of those exciting kick returners who makes only two or three plays per year but seems 10 times more dangerous than he really is. Watching Nate run an offense is like watching Michael J. Fox run the show in the final game in "Teen Wolf," only without the ridiculous edits. He's a shooting guard trapped in a point guard's body. On the right team, this could work. On a team with two other shoot-first point guards, it's a mess.



2. Channing Frye with the 8th pick
I was lukewarm on this one when it happened ... and then Isiah spent $90 million on two guys who play the exact same position as him. Four steps beyond completely illogical. That reminds me...



1. Eddy Curry
If it works out, Eddy gives you a low-post scorer who doesn't rebound and peaks in the first quarter every game. If it doesn't work out, he could die on the court and you're stuck with his uninsured $60 million contract. There's no in-between.



Actually, this wasn't dumb; it was more creepy than anything. Let's roll the dice with him ... if it doesn't work out, we'll just clear him off the court and put in Jerome James. Unlike Tedy Bruschi, nobody really knows how bad his heart condition is -- the whole situation is somewhat disturbing, if you ask me. There's a reason they don't show Hank Gathers' final game on ESPN Classic.

[Edited by - boomann on 11-02-2005 1:56 PM]
"We need another shot blocker and we need more girth in the middle, once that happens we have a chance to be a pretty decent team" Isiah on draft night
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Solace
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11/2/2005  1:18 PM
Zzzz... the writer of this article shouldn't be allowed to write articles anymore.
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11/2/2005  1:22 PM
If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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11/2/2005  1:24 PM
agreed!!!
What happened to Travis Knight? What a waste!
martin
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11/2/2005  1:24 PM
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?
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Nalod
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11/2/2005  1:25 PM
Ban cuz you don't like the view? Thats akin to book burning!

I have read this kinda stuff and knick fans were all in a huff last preseason! The Haters won! Not much Crow eating either. Put a face on it and sweep it under the rug. Lenny.

Let them write, when its proven otherwise, swell in pride!

Enjoy the season, enjoy the games!
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11/2/2005  1:25 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?


How about that he considers Brown a bad coach for the team?
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11/2/2005  1:26 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?



How about that he considers Brown a bad coach for the team?


How about KT for Q/Nate is bad?
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11/2/2005  1:27 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?



How about that he considers Brown a bad coach for the team?


How about KT for Q/Nate is bad?


How about Curry's peak potential is a first quarter stud and nothing else.
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11/2/2005  1:27 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?



How about that he considers Brown a bad coach for the team?


How about KT for Q/Nate is bad?


How about Curry's peak potential is a first quarter stud and nothing else.


#5 is probably correct.
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Solace
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11/2/2005  1:28 PM
Let's put it this way. If Isles wrote the article, it would've been more positive than that!
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11/2/2005  1:28 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?


Frey was drafted as a center and only moved to PF to accomodate Curry and Big Waste
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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11/2/2005  1:29 PM
ever since simmmons thought he would be a TV writer he's sucked.

hes a huge celtic fan and his writing is tired. pay no attention to the man gasping for his career back.
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11/2/2005  1:29 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?


Frey was drafted as a center and only moved to PF to accomodate Curry and Big Waste

Actually I disagree. The day after the draft Isiah said he considered Frye a PF and always had. I'm going by that.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
boomann
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11/2/2005  1:30 PM
Actually, this wasn't dumb; it was more creepy than anything. Let's roll the dice with him ... if it doesn't work out, we'll just clear him off the court and put in Jerome James. Unlike Tedy Bruschi nobody really knows how bad his heart condition is -- the whole situation is somewhat disturbing, if you ask me. There's a reason they don't show Hank Gathers' final game on ESPN Classic

There's a reason they say let people R.I.P, him bringing up Hank Gathers was not necessary when Collier just died from an enlarged heart. This guy needs to get knocked on his pu$$y because that part of the article was just insensitive. And if nobody knows how bad his heart condition is why did they do a gazillion heart test to make sure he was cool.

[Edited by - boomann on 11-02-2005 1:33 PM]

[Edited by - boomann on 11-02-2005 1:33 PM]

[Edited by - boomann on 11-02-2005 1:34 PM]
"We need another shot blocker and we need more girth in the middle, once that happens we have a chance to be a pretty decent team" Isiah on draft night
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11/2/2005  1:31 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?


Frey was drafted as a center and only moved to PF to accomodate Curry and Big Waste

You can at least spell the guys name right if you want to be taken seriously.
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11/2/2005  1:32 PM
(Side note: If you're scoring at home, Larry Brown is 65 years old. When my father turns 65, I don't even want him shoveling snow anymore, much less coaching guys like Crawford, Marbury, Richardson and Curry and dealing with 3 a.m. phone calls from Isiah like, "Good news, I just traded four first-rounders, Penny Hardaway and cash for Zack Randolph!")


That was a funny line!
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11/2/2005  1:38 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?


Frey was drafted as a center and only moved to PF to accomodate Curry and Big Waste

perhaps only you and Bill thought he was drafted as a C, most everyone else thinks differently.
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11/2/2005  1:39 PM
We needed size in the draft, we got that.
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11/2/2005  1:39 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?


Frey was drafted as a center and only moved to PF to accomodate Curry and Big Waste

perhaps only you and Bill thought he was drafted as a C, most everyone else thinks differently.

Initially, everyone scouted him as a center. Come draft day, most thought of him as a center. After hearing Isiah speak following the draft, everyone knew (or should've known) he was drafted as a PF.

That, at the time, had me going "WTF?? Why did we draft a PF when we had 25 of those and needed a center?" A few months later, it all worked out (so far).
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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