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NYKniCksFan87
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11/1/2005  12:45 PM
Last week i was channel surfing untili cameupon the Nets game, Marv Albert and Mark Jackson were caliing the game..the commentary was horrendous lol

Mark Jackson talked liked he played for the Nets his whole career even saying Kristic is probably the best young big man in the eastern conference, Marv was like thisteam is a title contender if all cylinders were clicking i was like

the way marv was kissing kidds but was funny too, made him look like a little biotch...

oh how the might have fallen
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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11/1/2005  12:59 PM
you've just ruined my entire day.
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11/1/2005  1:00 PM
Marv was the best, but he should have retired when Ewing was traded, they were like partners (in my mind at least).

I like Mark Jackson on espn, just not as a play-by-play guy.
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11/1/2005  1:37 PM
Mark Jackson is terrible. He says all the trite things and his delivery is monotone. Glad he's on the other side of the river. Clyde is still the man on the color commentary.

What's this I hear about Kenny Smith working a few Knicks games this year?
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11/1/2005  2:52 PM
yeah...kenny smiths working 20 games this year...his 1st game is november 23rd
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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11/1/2005  6:21 PM
even saying Kristic is probably the best young big man in the eastern conference

This might very well be true. Who is better?

oohah
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11/1/2005  7:24 PM
Eddy Curry?

i mean he is only 22..isnt that young?
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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11/1/2005  8:41 PM
Eddy Curry?
i mean he is only 22..isnt that young?

Nenad Krstic

YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
04-05 NJN 75 57 26.2 .493 .000 .725 2.1 3.2 5.3 1.0 .43 .84 1.49 3.70 10.0
Career 75 57 26.2 .493 .000 .725 2.1 3.2 5.3 1.0 .43 .80 1.49 3.70 10.0
Playoff 4 4 38.5 .563 .000 .792 2.5 5.0 7.5 1.8 .25 .50 1.50 5.00 18.3

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Eddy Curry

01-02 CHI 72 31 16.0 .501 .000 .656 1.5 2.2 3.8 .3 .22 .74 .96 2.40 6.7
02-03 CHI 81 48 19.4 .585 .000 .624 1.4 2.9 4.4 .5 .22 .77 1.69 2.80 10.5
03-04 CHI 73 63 29.5 .496 1.000 .671 2.0 4.2 6.2 .9 .33 1.14 2.42 3.50 14.7
04-05 CHI 63 60 28.7 .538 .000 .720 1.8 3.5 5.4 .6 .33 .92 2.59 3.20 16.1
Career 289 202 23.1 .529 1.000 .671 1.7 3.2 4.9 .6 .27 .80 1.89 3.00 11.8

Krstic is 22 as well. He looked excellent last year as a rookie. He is waaaay more skilled and fundamentally sound than Curry, Curry is much more physically dominant. But I have to say that Krstic has looked to be much improved this year. It also doesn't hurt to be playing with Jason Kidd.

It is very close but I would have to go with Krstic. In any case I don't think it is a stretch to say he could be one of the best young big men in the game, let alone the East.

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11/1/2005  8:44 PM
Posted by oohah:
even saying Kristic is probably the best young big man in the eastern conference

This might very well be true. Who is better?

oohah
Emeka Okafor, Dwight Howard and Eddy Curry.
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11/1/2005  8:53 PM
Emeka Okafor, Dwight Howard and Eddy Curry.

Those guys are arguably as good or better. Arguably. Not clear cut.

Emeka Okafor
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
04-05 CHA 73 73 35.6 .447 .000 .609 3.8 7.1 10.9 .9 .85 1.71 1.71 2.90 15.1
Career 73 73 35.6 .447 .000 .609 3.8 7.1 10.9 .9 .85 1.70 1.71 2.90 15.1

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Dwight Howard
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
04-05 ORL 82 82 32.6 .520 .000 .671 3.5 6.5 10.0 .9 .94 1.66 2.01 2.80 12.0
Career 82 82 32.6 .520 .000 .671 3.5 6.5 10.0 .9 .94 1.60 2.01 2.80 12.0

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11/1/2005  9:04 PM
Posted by oohah:
Emeka Okafor, Dwight Howard and Eddy Curry.
Those guys are arguably as good or better. Arguably. Not clear cut.
I think they were clear cut better. If you compare the last two months from last season, Howard and Okafor were absolute beasts. What they will be in the future no one can tell.

**side note***
I would love Howard on the Knicks. I think he has more upside than Okafor or Curry. If he stays healthy, him and Amare are going to be the two best big men in the league. That picture Briggs posted of Howard kissing the rim was unreal. Imagine this guy with a polished post game.
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I think they were clear cut better.

Okay, do you care to support that? Because I am not sure what you are basing that opinion on. Stats? Wins? Because all of their stats were very close.

If you compare the last two months from last season, Howard and Okafor were absolute beasts. What they will be in the future no one can tell.

I would love to see a comparison of the last 2 months all the payers mentioned. But remember it's an entire season that is important, not just an arbitrary period. Perhaps we should compare all of their playoff stats?

I think Howard will be a big-time star in the NBA, better than any of these guys. I thought that even before he kissed the rim, which is impressive, but it ain't basketball. Outside of that I think that any of the other three could line up in any way. But I have a feeling about Krstic...

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11/1/2005  9:17 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by oohah:
Emeka Okafor, Dwight Howard and Eddy Curry.
Those guys are arguably as good or better. Arguably. Not clear cut.
I think they were clear cut better. If you compare the last two months from last season, Howard and Okafor were absolute beasts. What they will be in the future no one can tell.

**side note***
I would love Howard on the Knicks. I think he has more upside than Okafor or Curry. If he stays healthy, him and Amare are going to be the two best big men in the league. That picture Briggs posted of Howard kissing the rim was unreal. Imagine this guy with a polished post game.
If you take away Krstic's 1st 2 months of last season where he only got 2-7 mins a game..he avg'ed somewhere around 14 and 7 as a starter.

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11/1/2005  10:13 PM
Posted by oohah:

Okay, do you care to support that? Because I am not sure what you are basing that opinion on. Stats? Wins? Because all of their stats were very close.
If you hadnt broken up my post the way you did, you would see that I was basing it on the last two months of the season. And yes, it was on stats. Read my post again and dont break it up to make it seem hesitant.

I would love to see a comparison of the last 2 months all the payers mentioned. But remember it's an entire season that is important, not just an arbitrary period.
Ok, you look at the Game Logs for the entire season and compare the season stats if you want. Its clear Okafor and Howard had better seasons.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3818/gamelog (Howard)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3819/gamelog (Okafor best out of the 3)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3622 (Nenad Krstic)
Perhaps we should compare all of their playoff stats?
Perhaps.
I think Howard will be a big-time star in the NBA, better than any of these guys. I thought that even before he kissed the rim, which is impressive, but it ain't basketball.
Big-time star!? He has a chance to be the best big man in the league. The way he rebounds at the age of 19, come on, I didnt need to see a picture of him kissing the rim to form an opinion either. It was like I said, unreal.
Outside of that I think that any of the other three could line up in any way.
I said that too.
But I have a feeling about Krstic...
ok.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 11-01-2005 10:54 PM]
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11/2/2005  2:24 AM
If you hadnt broken up my post the way you did, you would see that I was basing it on the last two months of the season.

My breaking up your post did not affect my understanding of it one way or they other. I actually read it before I copied and pasted your post in sections that I could reply to.

Maybe you did not read my post! I responded to you basing your opinion on the last two months of the season:
But remember it's an entire season that is important, not just an arbitrary period.

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And yes, it was on stats.

All their stats were very close. You probably didn't look at minutes played though, Nenad produced very well and he averaged less time than any of those players, and he was not the focal player on the Nets by a long shot. He also made the playoffs and performed outstanding in the first round series.
Read my post again and dont break it up to make it seem hesitant.

I don't read and post simultaneously, so please don't worry about my reading comprehension. I did not break it up to make it seem hesitant. Nor did I take anything out of context. If that is the impression you got, maybe YOU read it the wrong way?

Do I tell you how to post? Do I ever write: Hey Silverfuel, it would be nice if you brought some concrete data with your opinion, and by the way, telling me what posters on other forums think is not substantiation?

Furthermore, you engaged me on this thread. You know how I post. And when I ask you why you have a certain contradictory opinion in reply to my post, you get defensive! If you want to discuss contrasting basketball opinions with me, you should be prepared to "thrust and parry", so to speak. From what I have seen, you like to deal in generalisms. I like to deal in specifics, you know that.
Ok, you look at the Game Logs for the entire season and compare the season stats if you want. Its clear Okafor and Howard had better seasons.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3818/gamelog (Howard)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3819/gamelog (Okafor best out of the 3)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3622 (Nenad Krstic)

No, what is clear is that Howard and Okafor had statistically "bigger" regular seasons, but not by a landslide. They also logged more minutes (Except Howard). Nenad Krstic performed very well in the playoffs after a strong rookie season. The playoffs are when big-time players step up.
Perhaps.

(Just for your orientation, this quote was in reply to my writing we should compare all of the players playoff averages.)

Now let us compare all four players playoff performances:

Nenad Krstic:
Playoff 4 4 38.5 .563 .000 .792 2.5 5.0 7.5 1.8 .25 .50 1.50 5.00 18.3

Quite impressive.

Eddie Curry, Dwight Howard, Emeka Okafor,

0 combined.
Big-time star!? He has a chance to be the best big man in the league.

I think the best big man in the league would be considered a big time star in most cases. They are not mutually exclusive. And even if Howard doesn't become the best big man in the NBA, I still think he will be a big time star.
The way he rebounds at the age of 19, come on, I didnt need to see a picture of him kissing the rim to form an opinion either. It was like I said, unreal.

I am basing my opinion on his performance/age as well. Howard kind of reminds me of Shawn Kemp: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shawn_kemp/index.html
I said that too.

(Just in case you forgot, this quote was in reply to my writing that after Howard, it would be hard to rank Curry, Okafor, and Krstic.)

You did not say the same thing. You wrote: "I think they were clear cut better." in reference to Curry, Howard, and Okafor, compared to Krstic, then in the same paragraph: "If you compare the last two months from last season, Howard and Okafor were absolute beasts. What they will be in the future no one can tell.".

Maybe you forgot to write Krstic's name in that blurb?

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ok.

(The previous quote was in reply to my writing that I have a feeling about Krstic.)

Alrighty!

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11/2/2005  2:48 AM
And another thing...

If you look at Krstic's game log, you will find that his stats stack up very nicely over the last two months of the season by comparison to Okafor or Howard.

Nenad Krstic game log:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3622/gamelog

Eddie Cury was the one who was poised to go nuts at the end of the season before he was sidelined:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3514/gamelog

In fact, the only area of the game I would say the other two rookies were really better was rebounding, which is clearly significant. But I think Krstic has better scoring ability than the other two rookies. Curry excels as a scorer, but every other part of his game thus far in his career is nigh-putrid.

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