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Killa4luv
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10/31/2005  7:19 AM
...Isiah Thomas will use those assets to bring us in the pieces we need.

What we lack are shooters at the 2 and 3.

What we have is some players we have no use for: Penny & Malike Rose.

And some large expiring contracts: Penny 16 mil, AD 14 mil.

You've gota believe Mo Taylor (who looks to be playing well) Penny and AD will be gone by the deadline.......but for who and what?

An answer at the 2 or 3 and some draft picks.

This is vague, but there will be a deal by the deadline, it will involve those guys, and it will make us a better team. believe it!!!
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10/31/2005  7:29 AM
eventhough I don't like Pierce, but it would be nice if we could pull a trade for him. He is all that we need at the SF position.....
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10/31/2005  7:32 AM
I dont think AD is going anywhere. He is a solid veteran influence for our young bigs, he's not a cap drain (cuz his contract is over this year), and he can play defense in the Oakley mold.

I gotta say though, I dont really see Isiah making any more big splashy moves this year. Maybe a deal for s/o like Mike Miller, but no enormous trades.

Personally, I think they need to concentrate on getting a backup PG more then the wing spots. We have loadsa bodies there, Ariza, Q, Barnes, Crawford, Penny etc. and any more players will create a ridiculous logjam that will amount to Ariza getting less PT. I say, bring in an Earl Watson type player, and live with the wing players we have now, cuz Q CAN shoot, as can Steph and to a lesser extent, Craw. But leadership and D at the point behind Steph should be a priority right now.

[Edited by - firefly on 10-31-2005 07:33 AM]
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10/31/2005  7:46 AM
Speedy Claxton.....

Trade Mo Taylor or Malik Rose to N.O. for Speedy Claxton and a couple of draft picks...
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10/31/2005  8:45 AM
Werent you the guy that said a few days ago to trade for the just waived Lynch?

Its been reported for weeks Lynch would be either traded or waived if no deal could be made. If I knew it, so did Isiah.

What kind of draft picks? Hornets are clearly rebuilding, think those picks might be important to them? Seek what hornets need, then you can see the trade more clearly. Grasshoppper.
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10/31/2005  9:26 AM
Posted by diderotn:

eventhough I don't like Pierce, but it would be nice if we could pull a trade for him. He is all that we need at the SF position.....


Yeah, he's what everyone needs at SF except for Houston & NJ!!!! LOL!!!

Its not happening.
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10/31/2005  9:53 AM
Yes, I was.....but when I found out that we would have to get rid of either Barnes or Butler to sign him, I changed my mind.

Posted by Nalod:

Werent you the guy that said a few days ago to trade for the just waived Lynch?

Its been reported for weeks Lynch would be either traded or waived if no deal could be made. If I knew it, so did Isiah.

What kind of draft picks? Hornets are clearly rebuilding, think those picks might be important to them? Seek what hornets need, then you can see the trade more clearly. Grasshoppper.


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10/31/2005  2:45 PM
I just hope that he tries to pursue Caron Butler. He doesn't play defense but he is the kinda player that the Knicks could really use. I don't see Grunfeld making any deals with the Knicks anytime soon that would benefit the Knicks in any sort of way. I just think that Butler has to be extremely upset that he lost out to Jared Jefferies (that 2002 draft seems like a long time ago). No matter what Butler should be on the Knicks radar.
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10/31/2005  2:57 PM
problem: any package consisting of an expiring contract (~$14 mil) and rose or mo (~$7-8 mil), that's $20 mil no sweat right there. how much salary filler crap are we willing to take on to get a good young player making less than $5 mil? or if we get talent worth that price tag, how many picks are we willing to give up?

i think we just need patience. if the team looks good this year, shows progress, i'm cool with us not winning a championship. we're already plenty deep. IMO we have to wait out our overpaid but elapsing contracts and let our young guys develop. they're the ones we'll need to play key roles to win us a championship down the road, not jalen rose or paul pierce.
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10/31/2005  3:01 PM
Posted by Masterplan:

problem: any package consisting of an expiring contract (~$14 mil) and rose or mo (~$7-8 mil), that's $20 mil no sweat right there. how much salary filler crap are we willing to take on to get a good young player making less than $5 mil? or if we get talent worth that price tag, how many picks are we willing to give up?

i think we just need patience. if the team looks good this year, shows progress, i'm cool with us not winning a championship. we're already plenty deep. IMO we have to wait out our overpaid but elapsing contracts and let our young guys develop. they're the ones we'll need to play key roles to win us a championship down the road, not jalen rose or paul pierce.


totally agree. plus in a few years we'll need to pay reezy, frye, nate, lee. imagine THAT payroll!
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10/31/2005  3:12 PM
I assume the payroll will continue to go up by about 25% a year. In five years, it should be around $200 mil.
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10/31/2005  3:17 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I assume the payroll will continue to go up by about 25% a year. In five years, it should be around $200 mil.

now THAT team ought to be able to get into the 2nd round of the playoffs!
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10/31/2005  3:49 PM
or the world series!
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10/31/2005  5:05 PM
i don't like too many guys around the league, if we can't get a bonaifde superstar, as in, shaq or tim duncan, or kevin garnett, i don't think there are any moves worhtwhile for us. in my opinion the only reasonable option we have is to let the contracts expire, tell the fa's to leave ny, and build up around the young core we have. getting rid of contracts that expire just to add some that won't expire will only continue to hold us back. all these bogus trade ideas i see being proposed are worthless.
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10/31/2005  5:07 PM
by that i mean, i agree with masterplan
Bonn1997
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10/31/2005  8:14 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I assume the payroll will continue to go up by about 25% a year. In five years, it should be around $200 mil.

now THAT team ought to be able to get into the 2nd round of the playoffs!
It's just the rate of NBA inflation. The 2nd highest payroll will probably be around $170 mil (i.e., remain at 85% of the Knicks' payroll). There's statistically no relation in the NBA between payroll and salary. As tempting as it is, I wouldn't make any playoff prediction for any team based on payroll.
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11/1/2005  1:57 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I assume the payroll will continue to go up by about 25% a year. In five years, it should be around $200 mil.

now THAT team ought to be able to get into the 2nd round of the playoffs!
It's just the rate of NBA inflation. The 2nd highest payroll will probably be around $170 mil (i.e., remain at 85% of the Knicks' payroll). There's statistically no relation in the NBA between payroll and salary. As tempting as it is, I wouldn't make any playoff prediction for any team based on payroll.

No relation between payroll and salary? What?
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11/1/2005  2:08 AM
The problem is that if we bring in a shooter...we're gonna be loaded in the backcourt. Not enough minutes to go around.

Maybe we'll end up trading Q for Miller or Wally or Brent....
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11/1/2005  6:20 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I assume the payroll will continue to go up by about 25% a year. In five years, it should be around $200 mil.

now THAT team ought to be able to get into the 2nd round of the playoffs!
It's just the rate of NBA inflation. The 2nd highest payroll will probably be around $170 mil (i.e., remain at 85% of the Knicks' payroll). There's statistically no relation in the NBA between payroll and salary. As tempting as it is, I wouldn't make any playoff prediction for any team based on payroll.

No relation between payroll and salary? What?
Sorry, I meant no relation between payroll and winning percentage! Oops!!
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11/1/2005  6:46 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I assume the payroll will continue to go up by about 25% a year. In five years, it should be around $200 mil.

now THAT team ought to be able to get into the 2nd round of the playoffs!
It's just the rate of NBA inflation. The 2nd highest payroll will probably be around $170 mil (i.e., remain at 85% of the Knicks' payroll). There's statistically no relation in the NBA between payroll and salary. As tempting as it is, I wouldn't make any playoff prediction for any team based on payroll.

No relation between payroll and salary? What?
Sorry, I meant no relation between payroll and winning percentage! Oops!!

That definitely makes more sense. Now I agree.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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