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Killa4luv
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10/30/2005  11:18 AM
Larry guarded on point position

BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Larry Brown would be worry-free on the point guard front if Isiah Thomas and Phil Ford were just 20 years younger. The experience and trust Brown's craves at that most vital of positions can be found in the Knicks' front office and on Brown's coaching staff.

As for the current roster, Brown is not as confident. In fact, the coach wouldn't even commit to publicly naming Stephon Marbury as his starting point guard, which sounds less like a budding controversy and more like Brown having fun at the media's expense.

Marbury, for better or worse, is still the Knicks' best player as well as their only accomplished point guard. But it long has been rumored that Brown would prefer to acquire a veteran point and move Marbury to shooting guard.

Brown admitted yesterday that at the very least he would feel more confident if the Knicks added a veteran to back up Marbury, which is a nice way of saying that Jamal Crawford and rookie Nate Robinson better serve the Knicks as shooters for the time being.

"I don't know, we'll see," Brown said at the Tarrytown practice facility when asked about acquiring a true playmaker. "It wouldn't hurt to have another more experienced guard back there."


Crawford has point guard skills but a gunner's mentality. He and Brown have worked on decision-making and thus far Crawford has demonstrated the ability to pass first, chuck second. In six preseason games, Crawford has 24 assists and 17 turnovers compared to Marbury's 17 and 16 and Robinson's 18 and 17.

"I feel comfortable playing point guard," Crawford says.

Robinson is a scorer trapped in an undersized point guard body. The first-round pick from Washington averaged 16.4 points and attempted 406 shots in 35 games last season. Brown is confident that the 5-9 Robinson can defend point guards, but feels he is better suited to play an up-tempo game as opposed to running a half-court offense.

"He'll start figuring things out," Brown said. "I had Travis Best when he was a rookie (with Indiana). He reminds me a lot of Travis. He can really score. As he gets more experience he'll do more things. Every day in practice we're trying to train Nate. He's never been asked to do that. I have to help him and find out ways to make it easier on him. I don't worry about him defensively but offensively it's going to be a big change."

In his first season with the Detroit Pistons, Brown had Mike James backing up Chauncey Billups. When James departed via free agency, Carlos Arroyo was brought in to serve as Billups' understudy.

"But that's a championship team," Brown said. "This is a team that's a work in progress."

From the moment the Knicks hired Brown in July, there were rumors about Eric Snow and Kevin Ollie, two point guards who played for Brown in Philadelphia. The Knicks looked at Steve Blake before he signed with Portland and even brought in Kenny Anderson for a workout in September.

The Knicks scored 31 second-half points on Tuesday against the Sixers, with Marbury sidelined. Yesterday, Marbury missed the final 10 minutes of practice after being poked in the eye. Even with one eye closed, Marbury still is the best the Knicks have.

"We don't know if he's going to start or not," said Brown, protecting the names his starting five as if national security were at stake. "Who knows how much he's going to play. I ain't worried about it right now."

Notebook

Q-QUOTIENT: Quentin Richardson participated in some shooting drills yesterday but is not expected to play in tonight's preseason finale against the Nets at the Garden. The team is optimistic that Richardson will be ready for Wednesday's season opener at Boston.

Originally published on October 28, 2005
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10/30/2005  12:30 PM
Not a surprise to me, I've known Marbury is the better PG all along. Hopefully Craw is the 6th man this year, I think thats the best spot suited for him on this team.
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10/30/2005  12:40 PM
I don't buy that crap.


Crawford has been playing solid......AT PG.
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10/30/2005  1:02 PM
Brown said he has had to play Stephon Marbury at point guard more than he had anticipated, mostly because of the continued development of Jamal Crawford and Robinson

http://www.nj.com/knicks/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1130651777203840.xml&coll=1

Craw/Nate are being transitioned. Until those guys reach where Brown wants them to be, Brown prefers a vet point. In any count, Brown wants to move Steph to the 2.

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10/30/2005  2:09 PM
Marbs is a point guard....he has a shoot first mentality but so did Isiah Thomas.

I'm sick of talking about it.....guys just need to play ball. Nov 2nd we can start calling everyones bluff when the games count.
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10/30/2005  2:23 PM
Posted by EnySpree:



I'm sick of talking about it.....guys just need to play ball.

I agree.

Steph will either do what Brown asks of him or get benched. If that means playing 2 then thats Brown's call, not Isiah's or the the thousands of Steph-lovers populating parts of Queens and Brooklyn.

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10/30/2005  2:36 PM
Haha, I think we've driven the Marbury/Crawford PG topic into the ground, WAY into the ground. Lets just win ball games.
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10/30/2005  8:55 PM
I agree with that....Larry should go with Marb's strength, especially if he wants to win games. All that B.S. about a true PG is totally overated. Jackson won many championships without a true PG in the back court....The Spurs won 3 championships without a true PG...Look, if true PG was that important, guys like Stockton and Kidd would have had many rings to show for it...
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10/30/2005  9:33 PM
who did he have in detroit? It was chauncy & rip...
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10/30/2005  9:36 PM
exactly,,,Chauncey is not a true PG...HE IS AN EXACT COPY OF mARBURRY

The bottom line is this, we can't afford to have Crawfford at SG, because it causes more confusion than anything else. Hopefully when Q returns, Larry will be a lot more creative with the lineup...the starting lineup of Marb, Crawf, Penny, Davis and Curry was just a very horrible decision by Brown. You just simply can not have 3 players with PG mentality on the court together...

Posted by franco12:

who did he have in detroit? It was chauncy & rip...




[Edited by - diderotn on 10-30-2005 9:38 PM]
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10/30/2005  10:25 PM
Posted by diderotn:

exactly,,,Chauncey is not a true PG...HE IS AN EXACT COPY OF mARBURRY

The bottom line is this, we can't afford to have Crawfford at SG, because it causes more confusion than anything else. Hopefully when Q returns, Larry will be a lot more creative with the lineup...the starting lineup of Marb, Crawf, Penny, Davis and Curry was just a very horrible decision by Brown. You just simply can not have 3 players with PG mentality on the court together...

Posted by franco12:


who did he have in detroit? It was chauncy & rip...




[Edited by - diderotn on 10-30-2005 9:38 PM]



Dido, I gotta tell you, I rarely comment on the things you say. I can't tell you how many times i've just been reading a thread and i'd come up to a totally off the wall statement and 9 out of 10 times it would be your name on that post. I generally react with a chuckle, shake of the head and a roll of the eyes. To do anything more would just make my head hurt unnecessarily as I come to accept that you're on a different plane.

But......a very horrible decision? Man, where do you come up with this stuff LB said that preseason would be a time of experimentation with the lineup and not to read too much into it. I honestly think he meant that. Do you think he meant it?

This is Larry effing Brown we're talking about here. How can you question what this guy is doing......How can you question his patience and decision making.......all before one regular season game?

Have you ever played any form of organized sports? What sport...what position...how long ago...how old are you? What planet are you on?

Uggh, my head is beginning to hurt. Forget I asked

[Edited by - Junkmein on 10-30-2005 10:28 PM]
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10/30/2005  10:35 PM
Junk,

Long ago we dubbed him a "brother from another planet!"

A pleasent chap whom is good natured and can take a joke!

But it would be a mistake to discount his special mind powers!

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10/30/2005  10:52 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Junk,

Long ago we dubbed him a "brother from another planet!"

A pleasent chap whom is good natured and can take a joke!

But it would be a mistake to discount his special mind powers!

Nalod, are these mental powers/suggestions of his naturally or artifically induced?
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10/31/2005  7:57 AM
what is so wrong about what I have said? Brown is experimenting with the lineup, and I have addressed that. It was a horrible lineup that I and many Knicks fans will not want to see on the court again, simple is that. For what it's worth, I want Penny gone and I wouldn't complain a bit if Crawfford is also traded. I know that many of you love this kid because of his over dribling abilities and the showboating that he is known for, but can he play in a structured environment? and what position is he good for? He is not a PG nor big and strong enough to play the SG position. Personally, I want him gone. As for Brown, I am one of his biggest fans....I criticize the lineup he started with Vs the Nets, but I do expect for him to get it together by start of the season. Nalod and Junk! I really don't give a damn whether you like me or not....for what it's worth, just stop reading my posts..

[Edited by - diderotn on 10-31-2005 07:58 AM]
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10/31/2005  8:35 AM
Posted by diderotn:

what is so wrong about what I have said? Brown is experimenting with the lineup, and I have addressed that. It was a horrible lineup that I and many Knicks fans will not want to see on the court again, simple is that. For what it's worth, I want Penny gone and I wouldn't complain a bit if Crawfford is also traded. I know that many of you love this kid because of his over dribling abilities and the showboating that he is known for, but can he play in a structured environment? and what position is he good for? He is not a PG nor big and strong enough to play the SG position. Personally, I want him gone. As for Brown, I am one of his biggest fans....I criticize the lineup he started with Vs the Nets, but I do expect for him to get it together by start of the season. Nalod and Junk! I really don't give a damn whether you like me or not....for what it's worth, just stop reading my posts..

[Edited by - diderotn on 10-31-2005 07:58 AM]


I do like you. Its nothing personal.

Your posts are frequent, thus its hard to miss them.
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10/31/2005  8:35 AM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:
Posted by Nalod:

Junk,

Long ago we dubbed him a "brother from another planet!"

A pleasent chap whom is good natured and can take a joke!

But it would be a mistake to discount his special mind powers!

Nalod, are these mental powers/suggestions of his naturally or artifically induced?


Better living thru chemistry?
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10/31/2005  9:26 AM
"When he has the ball on the break, he'll be the point guard," Brown said. "When he doesn't have it on the break, he'll be the off guard. He's a basketball player. The way he's improved and getting a feel of what he's capable of doing, the easier it will be."

Marbury is indifferent to the issue, saying he wants to be involved in a winning program after the 33-49 disgrace of last season.

"Whatever it's going to take us to win," Marbury said. "It doesn't matter to me. I don't look at basketball like that. [The roles] can go either way."

Brown has been coy about his starting lineup for Wednesday's opener in Boston, joking he's leaving it up to a poll of the beat writers.

But four of the positions have become apparent: Eddy Curry at center, Antonio Davis at power forward and Marbury and Crawford in the backcourt. The small forward position is unclear because of Richardson's health.

The idea behind Marbury playing off the ball is to give him an opportunity to catch the ball off screens to create more scoring opportunities. Brown, who turned Allen Iverson from a point guard to a shooting guard in Philadelphia, also thinks Marbury can post up occasionally because of his strength. It also might be less taxing on Marbury's body — he took a beating last season on his hard forays to the hole — and give him more energy on defense.

Meanwhile, Crawford is better equipped to handle the ball and try to create, than to play on the wing. He was a lost soul last season, firing up ill-advised bombs early in the shot-clock. Brown also believes Crawford is better at handling backcourt pressure.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/30385.htm

Davis at 4
Curry at 5
Barnes at 3*
Crawford at 1
Marbury at 2



[Edited by - McK1 on 10-31-2005 09:26 AM]
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10/31/2005  9:33 AM
^^^^I am officially confused. I will not discuss this any further until our season starts. Everyday, there is a different story. Are the players and LB and the writers sending mixed messages on purpose?

This is crazy.
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10/31/2005  9:41 AM
^^^^And how are the fans supposed to get excited about a team we are completely confused about!? Most of us are waiting for the opener mainly just to see who will be playing!

[Edited by - Knight on 10-31-2005 09:41 AM]
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10/31/2005  9:46 AM
Exactly. I think that Brown is sending mix messages to confuse the media.
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Brown doesn't see Nate and Craw as competent backup PG's.

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