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djsunyc
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10/30/2005  12:05 AM
first off, it's good to be back in the usa. i was out of the country visiting family in the motherland (india) and got caught out there for an extra days thanks to heavy rains and flooding. then when we got to dubai for the connecting flight to nyc - we of course missed that and was stuck in dubai for another day. so 48 hours later and i'm finally back. first thing i did was run over to a mcdonald's and scarf down a big mac and 2 mc chickens. AWESOME!!! btw, dubai is an F'N rich country. their architecture is F'N impressive and it's like THE place to vacation if you got some dollars in the bank.

ok, i tried to check in on the boards throughout my trip and finally sat down last night and saw some knicks games i had on my dvr. here are my impressions. there may be nothing earth shattering here and may have been said a million times over but here we go:

1. fishmike is p-whipped
2. there are way too many new posters here
3. realgm still sucks
...oh wait, sorry, that's a list for another post

here's my knick's list:

i missed the h20 retirement but he was a good player that will be remembered for the miami shot and his $100 mil contract. i knew he was going to retire the minute they used the amnesty rule on jyd. this was a planned thing from the get go and his appearance at camp was just a good show of faith before announcing his retirement. my 2nd favorite knick of all time.

crawford - to me, this guy is slowly becoming the leader of the team. he's all over the press and he's the one being quoted the majority of the time. he's saying ALL the right things but more importantly, he's showing his growth and willingness to learn ON THE COURT. he's become alot steadier. has concentrated on defense and has really concentrated on moving the ball. 11/3/4 on 47% from the field is pretty damn impressive. 47% from the field. you can see the best stretches this team has played is with him on the court and with him primarily running the offense. it may sound crazy but by the end of the year, he COULD be the best player on the team. crawford has CLEARLY, to me, been the best player in preseason.

which leads me to ...

marbury - we have a new system in place here where the ball isn't in his hands for the bulk of the time...and he's having trouble adjusting to it. it's WAY early and it will take time to adjust BUT if his role now on the team is downgraded (and that's what it looks like is happening), then i may have to start questioning his value. i hope i can articulate what i mean. is marbury a damn good player? yes. but i also feel like for him to be effective and more importanly, WORTH the $20 mil he's getting, then he needs to take an iverson role. and this team is not built for him to take an iverson role. this team is built for him to be a contributor but at the end of the day, just a part of the machine. if we are morphing this team into just a GUARD backcourt and not specified PG/SG roles, then marbury's value will go down and will make any return value on moving him even less. my gut reaction is telling me that he is not really part of the future of this team and we should move him now for something like josh howard + stackhouse.

the rookies - i love them all. frye has THOROUGHLY impressed me. i know isiah had this kid pegged 2 months before the draft but i thought it may take him a while to adjust and put up some decent numbers but he's doing it right away (for the most part). i would like to see a little more back to the basket and i'm not worried about his fouling habits but he's a nice little player that has a chance to be really good. nate is a nice addition as well. to me, it looked like our best backcourt combo was with nate and craw out there. he really can make things happen and i could see him closing out alot of games for us with craw. can he play big minutes right away? not yet as he's still a little wild but i like what i see. lee is a nice hustle player and could become better if he can harness his skills as well. he may take a little longer to "develop" but he can help right away in a limited jyd role.

Q - haven't really seen him play at all and to tell you the truth, it's a little disconcerning that he was a little chubby and hurt himself already. we have a bunch of new players with a new coach in a new system that everyone is trying to learn. if Q is going to be out for a bit, it just delays our cohesion process if we have to try to incorporate him down the road. gut reaction, he's better off being a 6th man for now.

mo taylor - i am in no way in hell manning up!!! i couldn't believe it when i saw it but marbury and crawford actually fed the ball in the post...and get this...GOT OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THE POST PLAYER OPERATE!!! unreal. what a concept. actually, mo does look to be in better shape and is trying hard and is a good post option for us off the bench. clearly, this is the PERFECT tailor made role for sweetney but that's neither here nor there.

the big game - what a fat piece of crap!!! i was part of the anti-full MLE band wagon. he was signed to be our starting center and for the full MLE and is STILL OUTTA SHAPE. that's not a good sign and something that was expected by some (myself included). alot of people thought we'd see the james of the sac series but we're seeing the james of his entire career. so he's still a 15-20 min player, that will help, but is obviously overpaid. my gut reaction - dump him ASAP as we have butler in the wings. this was clearly a desperation signing by isiah as he needed to sign some sort of center. i remember the big game debates well on this forum. would you guys sign him for the full MLE if you knew we were getting curry? i'm guessing that the answer to that question would be NO by almost everybody here. maybe we should do something like james and lee for dmiles.

curry - he needs to get in shape. he's still a baby and we have aguirre and brown working on him. even if he's not that great this year, i'm OK with that b/c i think he will be a beast offensively for the rest of his career. he's 22. and i think he's willing to learn the other end of the court as well. i think with jamal there, actually showing growth on the court, curry will as well.

i'm not worried about the turnovers right now as it will get better over time and i believe this team will go through some growing pains. our strength is our depth and that's what will help us beat up on teams, especially AFTER the all star break. isiah has spent ALOT of money here and in a twisted way, has rebuilt this team on the fly. if it blows up, then we did give up picks but it will just mean more spinning of wheels and more dollars spent in changing it up again. 3 major roster overhauls in 2 years. we need some time to play together and see where we are in april.

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MinsHeartsReezy
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10/30/2005  12:32 AM
Welcome back Hope you had a nice trip. I dont know where in India you're from but I know there were a few bombings in Delhi today so I hope all is well with any relatives you may have there.
djsunyc
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10/30/2005  8:06 AM
thanks mins. luckily for me, my family is down south and nowhere near delhi.
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10/30/2005  10:31 AM
DJ, I agree with all of your observations, but I disagree with you about Craw and Marbs. I think it is too early to tell, but 11 ppg for Craw isn't gonna get it done for us. Obviously Marbs is also going to have to score more points for us to win. I can't really tell whats going on, but I think once the season begins we will se a much different player in Marbury and Crawford. Those guys have to score big, Curry too of course.

We'll see how it plays out, but outside of those 3, q when he returns and maybe Mo T, the rest of our team are 10 ppg guys. I agree that Frye could put up more, but may not get the minutes he should. Our offensive production has to come from somewhere. How do you think our team wins if our best scorer (Marbury) is not a main cog in the O? We will suck if hes not, and you ave to think LB knows that.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 10-30-2005 10:43 AM]
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10/30/2005  10:36 AM
great post, hope u had a great time. I agree on most part with what you said, but i still see marbury being a vital part of the team. Every team lb coached, pg is always the focal point of the offense, i dont think our new system will make marbury any less effective. But do i see him in our plan for the future? not really. And i was impressed with frye as well, i was one of the people that criticized picking him at 8, but he has been playing very well, and contrary to the popular belief, has been banging with post players
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10/30/2005  10:54 AM
Not to be on your jock or nothing but good post
"We need another shot blocker and we need more girth in the middle, once that happens we have a chance to be a pretty decent team" Isiah on draft night
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10/30/2005  11:50 AM
Good post DJ. I only got to see one preseason game so far (against the Nets) but Larry seems to be using Steph just like he did for most of the Olympics. Later on in the Olympics, Larry realized that he wasn't using Steph to his max abilities, so he basically let Steph go off (which Steph did against Spain). So I'm surprised to see Larry use Steph like this again because I really thought Larry learned from the Olympics that Steph is not at his best when he is not a focal point. However, I'm not that concerned anymore because everything I'm reading in the papers lately suggets that Larry knows Steph needs more scoring opportunities and I trust Larry to get the most out of Steph.
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10/30/2005  12:04 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury - we have a new system in place here where the ball isn't in his hands for the bulk of the time...and he's having trouble adjusting to it. it's WAY early and it will take time to adjust BUT if his role now on the team is downgraded (and that's what it looks like is happening), then i may have to start questioning his value. i hope i can articulate what i mean. is marbury a damn good player? yes. but i also feel like for him to be effective and more importanly, WORTH the $20 mil he's getting, then he needs to take an iverson role. and this team is not built for him to take an iverson role. this team is built for him to be a contributor but at the end of the day, just a part of the machine. if we are morphing this team into just a GUARD backcourt and not specified PG/SG roles, then marbury's value will go down and will make any return value on moving him even less. my gut reaction is telling me that he is not really part of the future of this team and we should move him now for something like josh howard + stackhouse.


What I've been saying all along.

I don't think I have to add anything on to that, except you're nuts if you think we could pry Howard from Cuban. Maybe Van Horn, Stack, Darrell, and a 1st for Marbury, Taylor.....

But ya, you were right on point man.

It's too bad the Marbury jockers will never get it.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/30/2005  12:06 PM
Ya'll remember when Allen Iverson and Marbury were on the all star team that year and Allen pushed the point sometime while Marbury was at the 2. It was little defense in that game but both teams were battling in the fourth quarter and Marbs went nuts with Iverson. I think he'll work at the two just fine once he gets use to moving without the ball.
"We need another shot blocker and we need more girth in the middle, once that happens we have a chance to be a pretty decent team" Isiah on draft night
Marv
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10/30/2005  12:16 PM
dj, good to see ya back!

i think there's tons of talent on this team and i think it's gonna take lb a little time and some real games that he cares about winning for him to sort it out. i see marbs being extremely effective in his system once it gets nailed down. i don't see craw as optimistically as you do but i'm keeping an open mind. i'm with you on frye, a little more experience, confidence and aggressiveness and ahis guy's a future all-star. i think nate's gonna be a valuable pace-changer and i think larry's gonna utilize him. lee, reezy, butler could protentially be big contributers, we'll see how they're used. butler and barnes as well. i think q's gonna contribute a lot. i'm psyched for the season, veen tho we're gonna have some real stinkeroo showings for sure, we're gonna have to deal with those and keep on keeping on.
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10/30/2005  12:35 PM
I don't see Future All-Star in Frye b/c I don't think he has a much higher ceiling than right now, but I see solid guy off the bench/ quasi starter.

Marv- you see Marbury "being extremely effective in his system once it gets nailed down"...

MMM....you sure about that? I mean, I'm assuming you're watching the same games as me....and that you're aware of those 75 Million and his superstar mentality...

B/c if you were, which you should, then you'd realize that if Marbury ever DOES buy into LB's offense and sinks down with the rest of the guys and just blends in.....his stats will take a HUGE hit. B/c his job will be to move without the ball, make the extra pass, defend, rebound, and lead by example. These are all things he has a hard time doing...and without superstar stats to back up, Marbury is slowly becomes close to useless.

I hope we trade him b/c his value will contine to slip.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/30/2005  1:29 PM
I don't see Future All-Star in Frye b/c I don't think he has a much higher ceiling than right now, but I see solid guy off the bench/ quasi starter.

i think his skill level is terrific right now. where his ceiling is a lot higher than right now is in using his height/dexterity advantage. he could get his shot off at least twice as often as he is now. he's an excellent passer who should have the ball in his hands more and look to make plays with it. he shows the potential to be an excellent rebounder (he's much tougher than i expected and purrues the ball much harder as well) once he picks up more savvy on positioning and making others foul HIM.
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10/30/2005  1:48 PM
Marv- you see Marbury "being extremely effective in his system once it gets nailed down"...

MMM....you sure about that? I mean, I'm assuming you're watching the same games as me....and that you're aware of those 75 Million and his superstar mentality...

B/c if you were, which you should, then you'd realize that if Marbury ever DOES buy into LB's offense and sinks down with the rest of the guys and just blends in.....his stats will take a HUGE hit. B/c his job will be to move without the ball, make the extra pass, defend, rebound, and lead by example. These are all things he has a hard time doing...and without superstar stats to back up, Marbury is slowly becomes close to useless.

I hope we trade him b/c his value will contine to slip.

well it's interesting. lb won with 2 points by designing very different roles for them - iverson and billups (acknowledging that iverson was "officially" a 2 on those teams). i see him doing something in between the 2 with marbs. which is what i think he did in the olympics. inititally he told him to pass first, then he told him to shoot first. steph has a unique skill set, as fish schooled the realgm guys on and yes i do see larry getting him to work it within his system. billups played a very interesting game the last couple of years. he would at times look to be a passer, at times to be an aggressive scorer. he ended up being the mvp of one finals and the likely one of another if they had held on to a late lead.

you asked if i'm sure - no, i'm not sure. but i think with marbs having frye and curry to pass inside to and hopefully q establishing an outside threat, i'm ready to predict that he will be extremely effective in this system. we already know he can go off as a scorer when he wants to i think larry will get him to do that when it's the right time to. and i think he now has better strategy from the coach and more talented finishers to excel in his pass-first modes. in fact, hasn't some of his criticism on this board been that he'll pass first for part of the game then shoot first for others? if that's designed strategically by larry, then it could be a natural fit for marbs. IF he commits the discipline to it that billups did.
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10/30/2005  3:26 PM
Difference b/w Marbury and Billups/Iverson is an affinity for playing defense and taking the big shot...

Also...Billups has an advantage as far as size, and AI is just a step above Marbury in basically every category.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/30/2005  3:30 PM
Btw Marv...I can respect your patience and tolerance as far as Marbury goes...but sometimes things are meant to change.

I mean, you can do 1 of 2 things - hope for the unlikely and hold onto something b/c you're scared to lose it......or step over the ledge and do the RIGHT thing.

You, and alot of other Knick fans, are probly scared to lose Steph. I'm not.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/30/2005  3:45 PM
You, and alot of other Knick fans, are probly scared to lose Steph. I'm not.

Fear has nothing to do with it. Isiah has worked hard at getting a good team on the floor what we need now is some continuity and that takes time. I say let Marbury have a chance with this new team and new coach before we start saying let's rid the team of Starbury.
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10/30/2005  5:13 PM
Posted by boomann:
You, and alot of other Knick fans, are probly scared to lose Steph. I'm not.

I say let Marbury have a chance with this new team and new coach before we start saying let's rid the team of Starbury.

I give him until the All-Star Break...



DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/30/2005  5:19 PM
Posted by boomann:
You, and alot of other Knick fans, are probly scared to lose Steph. I'm not.

Fear has nothing to do with it. Isiah has worked hard at getting a good team on the floor what we need now is some continuity and that takes time. I say let Marbury have a chance with this new team and new coach before we start saying let's rid the team of Starbury.

well said boomann. and to bobs, hey i think i'll face reality if marbs proves unable to excel in larry's schemes with this team around him. but for right now, a guy coming off a 21 point 8 assist 46% year with greatly improved coaching and inside players coming in, i'm mad excited about his chances to excel. i don't think that's based on just fearing change. i'm looking at it as planning to maximize potential strengths for this team and i see marbs as strength #1. way ahead of curry, crawford, anyone else on this team.


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10/30/2005  8:32 PM
Posted by Marv:

well said boomann. and to bobs, hey i think i'll face reality if marbs proves unable to excel in larry's schemes with this team around him. but for right now, a guy coming off a 21 point 8 assist 46% year with greatly improved coaching and inside players coming in, i'm mad excited about his chances to excel. i don't think that's based on just fearing change. i'm looking at it as planning to maximize potential strengths for this team and i see marbs as strength #1. way ahead of curry, crawford, anyone else on this team.
This is EXACTLY how I feel. And I don't understand how someone can think anything differently.

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