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rvhoss
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10/27/2005  3:06 PM
I could not have said it better myself...does it really matter?
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Knick guards to wear several hats
By STEVE ADAMEK
STAFF WRITER

PHILADELPHIA - To Larry Brown, they are guards. Not point guards, not shooting guards, just guards - as Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe were when they were Knicks, even as Brown was when he played.
So, ask the Knicks' coach whether Stephon Marbury (the incumbent point guard) or Jamal Crawford (the incumbent shooting guard) runs the point this season and Brown laughs.

He runs a two-guard front. Both will handle the ball, as will backups Penny Hardaway and rookie Nate Robinson, and even swingman Quentin Richardson at a position where the Knicks may lack reliable depth.

"I don't care," Brown said before Tuesday's 80-71 preseason win over the 76ers when asked who will handle the ball when the regular season opens a week from today in Boston.

"Normally, it depends on who's defending. If [the opposition has] a great defensive point who can pressure, maybe you let Jamal take it up."

Yet, in the city where Brown turned Allen Iverson into more of a shooting guard than the point guard he became again last season, the role of the self-professed "best point guard in the league" is of interest because in Marbury, Brown sees some Iverson.

"He's great coming off screens and he posts up pretty well," Brown said he was told by team president Isiah Thomas, plus holdover assistants George Glymph and Herb Williams. "I think we're got to figure out ways to get him those kinds of situations."

Marbury likes that idea, saying, "When you're playing behind the defense, it's a lot different than playing in front of it because you have everyone looking after you from the beginning as far as making a play."

Translation: With the defense in front of him, the point guard has to think about making a play for a teammate. A shooting guard can be a little more selfish and work to get open.

Crawford, meanwhile, relishes Brown's plan, too, insisting his reputation as a shoot-first guard will be a thing of the past this season.

"It's just time," he said. "I'm 25 years old. I want to be an all-around player. And I want to win."

"[Jamal] definitely knew the way he played last year wasn't real helpful to the team," said center Eddy Curry, his close friend. "He's definitely made a conscious effort to change his game and be an asset."

Yet, Crawford's decision to abort the drive-and-kick play Brown called for the final shot Friday in Dallas and instead run a pick-and-roll play suggests his all-around game is a work in progress.

Brown told Crawford he should have driven the ball.

The coach, though, also likes splitting the ballhandling chores because of the effort he expects from both guards on defense. However, one guard will be designated to quarterback the fast break when a shot goes up, with the other guard getting down the court. But if the break isn't there, the second guard can come back, take the outlet pass and run the offense.

"With [Jamal] and Stephon, you've got to be real careful," Brown said. "You can ask them to do certain things, but you don't want to take away their ability to score the ball or make a play."

Translation: He wants them to do what they do best and he wants them to be guards, period. No further description necessary.
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Killa4luv
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10/27/2005  3:37 PM
This translation sucks.
Translation: With the defense in front of him, the point guard has to think about making a play for a teammate. A shooting guard can be a little more selfish and work to get open.

It means that whatever you are goin to do, you have less defenders in you way, that means driving, passing and shooting.
oohah
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10/27/2005  3:48 PM
I like the 'just guards' mentality, and I have seen it slowly come back into fashion. I am not old enough to remember first-hand, but my father used to tell me that until the mid 70's that either guard might bring up the ball and initiate the offense, it wasn't necesarily the 'job' of either guard.

The specialization of the guard position has been blurred again because today's guards are bigger than ever, though not really more skilled, in my opinion. I like this trend, it might not work for every team, but all of the knicks guards are pretty good dribblers (Q?). I think it will allow every guard on the Knicks more freedom to operate.

oohah

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10/27/2005  4:09 PM
Back in the day, it depended on the matchups. Some defenders are going to more presure than others, so why bust your ass bringing up the ball and wearing yourself out? Earl and Clyde were just guards as your pops said. All things being equal, CLyde ran the team, but earl could get by anyone if pressed in the back court. And you didn't play too tight on earl cuz he's spin right by you! That spin move was incredible by the way, nobody did it like Earl! CLyde was not that quick, but a nice cross over and super long arms. He was more like Houstan with a smooth style and strong fundamentals. Earl was skinny and crazy. At 6'3 he's post his defenders up, either spin by you or a turnaround jumper. By one reason the knicks got him was in 1971 the bullets eliminated the knicks who were a far better team but earl just killed Clyde! He could not stop him! Earl was shooting without looking at the basket! Knicks had to get him in fear this could happen again!

I was very young but that season was the first I really remember. Knicks-Bullet games were special. Reed vs. Unseld, Debussure vs. Gus Johnson, Bradley vs. Jack Marin, and Clyde vs. Earl. They had a guy named Archie Clark who was really good then. His move was the crossover. Good games, but our bench was deeper.

Dancing harry came up from the bullets and became the unoffical mascot for the team. during timeouts he would maybe twice a game dance to some funk and at the end he would raise his hands and sort of put a hex on the other team! IT was funny as hell!

Dido, Im a Net fan? Back then I went to the games! Best part of my childhood was those Knick teams! I love those guys!

ANd buy the way, bill bradley would not pass the new dress code back then!

Just Guards...(article)

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