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Elite
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10/22/2005  12:01 AM
Lets get this stupid assinine idea out of our offense... Jamal is the WORST decision maker on our team and he is the furthest thing from a point gaurd... Stephon marbury iS NOT A SHOOTING GAURD... he is a point gaurd.. not only is he a point gaurd.. but he is ONE OF THE BEST POINT GAURDS IN THE LEAGUE!!!! the guy is top 3 assists every year give him some credit he is not selfish let the man run the offense jesus christ this is stupid he is not iverson he is A POINT GAURD!!!!
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10/22/2005  12:02 AM
well.. if its in caps it must be true
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10/22/2005  12:40 AM
I agree with Elite
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10/22/2005  2:27 AM
i agree w/ elite too. but i trust larry brown, so we'll see how this all turns out.
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10/22/2005  2:28 AM
I agree Elite. I'm starting to really wonder just how Jamal is going to fit in on this team, it seems to me that his role is going to just diminish and diminish further becuase of terrible shot selection and poor defense.
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10/22/2005  2:30 AM
I wonder if you guys even watched the 2nd half...or the game period.

how is the guy with 11pts 8 rebs 4 assists and led the forth quarter comeback after a terrible 3rd by Steph in which he had several TO's and blunders and the Knicks got outscored behind his leadership 20 something to 9.


[Edited by - McK1 on 10-22-2005 02:32 AM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-22-2005 02:36 AM]
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10/22/2005  2:31 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I agree Elite. I'm starting to really wonder just how Jamal is going to fit in on this team, it seems to me that his role is going to just diminish and diminish further becuase of terrible shot selection and poor defense.


hopefully. or do people still think he's the next RIP, HUGHes, miller, Iverson?????????
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10/22/2005  2:38 AM
Posted by McK1:

I wonder if you guys even watched the 2nd half...or the game period.



[Edited by - McK1 on 10-22-2005 02:32 AM]

You must have been watching a different game becuase I watched the whole thing and saw nothing different from Jamal. His shot-selection is still atrocious and there is no way in hell that he will ever make good decisions with the basketball. I'm really starting to wonder with Jamal becuase if he doesnt get it with Larry Brown then what coach is he going to begin to understand the game with, there is no better teach in the NBA then Larry Brown. I saw alot of good things from the Knicks in the first half, alot of hustling alot of passing alot of good shots, but still Jamal Crawford is being Jamal Crawford and right now the Knicks really don't need that.
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10/22/2005  2:55 AM
please.

I'm watching the games with my own eyeballz.

Jamal will make a great PG.

Steph doesn't really have an assigned position right now b/c of how wacky the guard rotation is right now.

I hope we trade him...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/22/2005  3:06 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

please.

I'm watching the games with my own eyeballz.

Jamal will make a great PG.

Steph doesn't really have an assigned position right now b/c of how wacky the guard rotation is right now.

I hope we trade him...


Part of being a good PG requires good passing skills and good decision-making neither of which apply to Jamal Crawford and both apply to Stephon Marbury. Crawford is a fish out of water with the Knicks right now.
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10/22/2005  3:09 AM
that wasn't Jamal with all the forced shots and TO's with that horrendous third. steph hogged the rock the whole quarter. After a couple of staright fukkups Craw then Penny tried to help him out bringing it up and Steph got even more flustered, only to come down court and fukkup again.

the 4th qtr Jamal led the team back with some great pg play. You turned away from a forth where he was looking for and finding his big men at the rim and Nate off screens and curls. He finished the game with 1 turnover, Steph had 6. the last shot missed oh well its pre-season. If Frye new how to set an NBA screen perhas that play goes down differently.

are u sure u watched the whole game?

I watched Brown scream good job to Crawford and pat him on the back during the 1st half, don't think he was commending the "same ole Crawford." Wen he was out there w/o Steph in the 4th he and Brown were constantly communicating and he ran the O with perfection.

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-22-2005 03:12 AM]
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10/22/2005  3:12 AM
and let's not forget Jamal was rebounding VERY well tonite.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/22/2005  3:12 AM
Posted by McK1:

that wasn't Jamal with all the forced shots and TO's with that horrendous third. steph hogged the rock the whole quarter. After a couple of staright fukkups Craw then Penny tried to help him out bringing it up and Steph got even more flustered, only to come down court and fukkup again.

the 4th qtr Jamal led the team back with some great pg play. You turned away from a forth where he was looking for and finding his big men at the rim and Nate off screens and curls. He finished the game with 1 turnover, Steph had 6. the last shot missed oh well its pre-season. If Frye new how to set an NBA screen perhas that play goes down differently.


So I guess we're basing the PG of the Knicks on one PRE-SEASON game instead of a career. Stephon is a excellent play-maker and this was a PRE-SEASON game. Jamal has notoriously made terrible decisions with the basketball, has made terrible shot-selections in the 4th quarter of games and has repeatedly let his man blow by him on defense. There is no way that Jamal Crawford can play PG in the NBA... no way.
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10/22/2005  3:15 AM
^ See that's where you're wrong.

Steph may be a good passer and may rack up assists, but that doesn't mean he makes plays or makes his teammates better.

If anything, Marbury makes the offense slow down.....and when does allow it to flow by making simple passes and letting everyone else get touches....his "superstar" talent is dwarfed b/c it's the TEAM as a whole as opposed to just HIM being relied on.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/22/2005  3:17 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by McK1:

that wasn't Jamal with all the forced shots and TO's with that horrendous third. steph hogged the rock the whole quarter. After a couple of staright fukkups Craw then Penny tried to help him out bringing it up and Steph got even more flustered, only to come down court and fukkup again.

the 4th qtr Jamal led the team back with some great pg play. You turned away from a forth where he was looking for and finding his big men at the rim and Nate off screens and curls. He finished the game with 1 turnover, Steph had 6. the last shot missed oh well its pre-season. If Frye new how to set an NBA screen perhas that play goes down differently.


So I guess we're basing the PG of the Knicks on one PRE-SEASON game instead of a career. Stephon is a excellent play-maker and this was a PRE-SEASON game. Jamal has notoriously made terrible decisions with the basketball, has made terrible shot-selections in the 4th quarter of games and has repeatedly let his man blow by him on defense. There is no way that Jamal Crawford can play PG in the NBA... no way.

Stephon has been a very good stat padder thru-out his career. Stephon is as big of a turnstile on D and in 9 years of the NBA teh self proclaimed greatest point guard has led his teams to what exactly.
2 Exec's of the Year (Thorn and Clangelo) and 2 COY's (Scott and d' Antoni) for starters disagree with your assessment of Steph as an excellent playmaker.

Brown thinks Craw can play point or he wouldn't give him the rock.
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10/22/2005  3:20 AM
I disagree Bobs. Stephon is a slashing pg which in this type of offense is exactly what the PG needs to do. I agree Stephon is not a PG for every team in the NBA but he certainly fits the Knicks and over 50% of NBA teams. The ability that sets Stephon apart from Jamal and other "PGs" is the ability to drive and dish, the dishing on this team can goto Q for a Set-Three, it can goto Ariza whom is cutting to the basket, it can goto Frye for a baseline-jumper or it can goto Curry for an alley-oop. While I don't think Stephon is a true PG, he makes good decisions with the basketball, if you take the ball out of his hands as PG of the Knicks you lose alot of what I just mentioned becuase Jamal Crawford is not skilled or smart enough to make those passes. I've seen what Jamal does with the basketball he shoots it and rarely sets up ANY teammate with a better shot.
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10/22/2005  3:20 AM
Fans back Steph b/c he's from Coney Island and b/c he has all that "superstar" talent.

They don't know a single thing about what a playmaker is. They see those assist numbers and assume away...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/22/2005  3:23 AM
Posted by McK1:

Stephon has been a very good stat padder thru-out his career. Stephon is as big of a turnstile on D and in 9 years of the NBA teh self proclaimed greatest point guard has led his teams to what exactly.
2 Exec's of the Year (Thorn and Clangelo) and 2 COY's (Scott and d' Antoni) for starters disagree with your assessment of Steph as an excellent playmaker.

Brown thinks Craw can play point or he wouldn't give him the rock.

Jim Paxson LET Jamal Crawford go away from the Bulls who were an up and coming team who drafted Crawford very in the NBA draft and let him go becuase he couldn't run his team. Paxson isn't even a COY and he disagrees with you, don't give that crap as your agrugment, you can do better then that. Bobs is the one making this interesting.




[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-22-2005 03:24 AM]
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10/22/2005  3:23 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I disagree Bobs. Stephon is a slashing pg which in this type of offense is exactly what the PG needs to do.


Nate is a smaller version of Marbury with better on the ball D. Give him some time...you'll see.

As for Crawford...I've watched enough to know that LB has gotten it in his head to make the extra pass and to focus on other things besides scoring like defense and rebounding. The proof is in the pudding. Just re-watch tonight's game...

The only difference b/w Marbury and Crawford/Nate is that he plays more under control. I'm not worried about that....A:T can improve with time


[Edited by - bobs3304 on 10-22-2005 03:25 AM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/22/2005  3:24 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Fans back Steph b/c he's from Coney Island and b/c he has all that "superstar" talent.

They don't know a single thing about what a playmaker is. They see those assist numbers and assume away...


Bobs, thats a terrible statement. I could care less where Stephon is from, I could care less about him as a person. I've seen the easy shots that he gets forwards and I've seen the Nazr Mohammeds of the world blow EASY chippies at the basket becuase the ball goes through their hands. With Eddy Curry that isn't going to happen.
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