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PresIke
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10/19/2005  5:09 PM
This article hits a lot of issues RIGHT on the head.

http://blogmaverick.com/entry/1234000287064079/

NBA Dress Code - Response to reader comments

I wanted to address some of the comments. I just think its necessary.

First. There is no question, that even at the minimum salary, NBA rookies and 1st year players are blessed to be earning that much money. However, realize that about 55 pct comes off the top for taxes (they have to pay taxes in ever state we play in), agent and union dues, and NBA Escrow. But more importantly, we bang on them to save, save save. For most of the NBA minimum Free Agents in their first or 2nd year, these will be the ONLY years they play in the NBA.

Its a darwinian business. Chances are this is their only year or two in the NBA. If they are cut, they probably go play in the minor leagues, or possibly in Europe, but in either case, there is a 95pct chance that they arent going to be in this business, the one they have dreamed of and prepared for their entire lives for more than 4 years.

Which in turn means they have to find a new profession. Thats not cheap, thats not easy.

So while it may seem like a rookie free agent has plenty of money to buy custom tailored suits or sport coats for up to 2 grand a pop, its a big investment that could impact their future. In the big picture, that rookie and everyone who knows this business, knows thats money that should be saved for the future and its a huge hit for them.



2nd. Issue. The “Thug” Issue.
If you look at NBA players. White, black, brown, yellow, whatever color or nationality, regardless of how they dress, and think thug. You are an idiot. I have said it before, and I will say it again. I have run companies with a predominantly young work force. My personnel issues were far worse in those companies than anything at the Mavs, or what I have seen across the NBA. Young kids makes stupid mistakes. Thats what 21 year olds do.

If I had cameras following me when I was in my 20s…...Or go to any hot nightclub and watch 20 somethings partying. Then ask them where they work.

Im willing to bet that you could take the workforce of any major corporation, segment out all their employees 35 and under and without question, you would find far more problems and issues in their workforce on, in absolute numbers or on a percentage basis than you would in the NBA.

I bet that any person over the age of 25 reading this post knows more screwups personally than there are playing in the NBA.

The reality for the NBA however is that we have let the media coverage of our game be personality based. The NFL has someone on trial or in jail every single week. Sure hasnt affected their ratings at all. Why ? Because media coverage is of the team, game strategy and in game matchups. Most of us couldnt identify 90 pct of the players on our favorite football team in a lineup. You might know their name and number, but you have no idea what they look like.

Randy Moss gets high. No one says they wont watch the NFL because of it. So and so gets accused of beating such and such. Its reported. Its documented. No one turns off the NFL as a result. We arent talking about the NFL having an image problem, we talk about how the price for Super Bowl ads continue to go up. How many advertisers walk away from the NFL and claim its because of the NFL image ? Heck, the NFL turns away ads for a movie about sports gambling. Talk about hypocritical…No one cares.

Watch the pregame of NFL games. They have talked to coaches about plays. They talk about plays. They talk about defensive strategy. They talk about what will be run in which situations. Fans do the same. It makes watching the games a lot more fun.

What do we talk about before an NBA game ? Sure we talk about individual matchups. We might even talk about individual skills. But how many in the media even know that there is a play run and a defense called , with options, bailouts and audibles on almost every single possession ? And how many write or talk about them ?

Instead we get stupid ramblings like “so and so has got to step up and earn his money”. “This is where so and so has got to prove he is worth the money”. Watching the ESPN crew with Stephen A, Greg Anthony and Tim Legler is painful. They are a cliche a second. Same soundbites every single game, just the player names are changed. TNT isnt much better. At least Barkley is entertaining at saying nothing.

I was watching the Mavs vs Detroit preseason game last night. Cliche after Cliche. Not a single bit of new information. They spent half the game talking about a dunk that Darko had. Not to pick on these guys, its the same for every team, including from our guys.

Has anyone ever heard after a basket; ” I expect the Mavs to run a thumbs down or horns side in this situation. Detroit is probably expecting them to push the ball, so watch for the Pistons to use a send 4 to the Offensive boards and everyone else gets back when the ball goes up into a man to man, gold on the post, come on first dribble on an entry pass”.

Or the Pistons always seem to run a 42 in out of bounds situations. They have run it 64 pct of their inbounds possessions under their own basket. Here is how it works …

Never. Instead we get mindless drivel about players. I know the game is fast and doesnt have the breaks that football has, but there is still time to discuss these things during stoppages and free throws

Im just as guilty of letting it happen at the Mavs in our media. Its something I have to find a way to cure.

I said it in the previous post, the Dress Code is a response to symptoms of bigger problems. The simplistic views people have of our players, is in response to our own stupidity in how we cover and report our games. On a macro level.

On an individual level. If you think NBA players, or any professional athlete that you never have had any interaction with is a thug. Then the problem is yours. You are an idiot.
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10/19/2005  5:18 PM
On an individual level. If you think NBA players, or any professional athlete that you never have had any interaction with is a thug. Then the problem is yours. You are an idiot.

Ha Ha..I couldn't have said it better myself
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10/19/2005  5:38 PM
As much as I disagree about the dress code stuff Mark is right on with ALOT of stuff in his blog. He has been on the NBA for the mindless drivel that they spew during EVERY game minute after minute for awhile now and he is totally right. I just can't get over the fact that the people are still saying this dress code isn't right. I think of all the accountants and people that work on wall street, they are making mostly between 60,000-100,000 a year and these people are wear suits EVERYDAY to work. Why can't these NBA players wear suits to the games when even rookies make almost 4-5 times that these people make in just one year.
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10/19/2005  5:39 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

As much as I disagree about the dress code stuff Mark is right on with ALOT of stuff in his blog. He has been on the NBA for the mindless drivel that they spew during EVERY game minute after minute for awhile now and he is totally right. I just can't get over the fact that the people are still saying this dress code isn't right. I think of all the accountants and people that work on wall street, they are making mostly between 60,000-100,000 a year and these people are wear suits EVERYDAY to work. Why can't these NBA players wear suits to the games when even rookies make almost 4-5 times that these people make in just one year.

What is the correlation between your salary and how you should dress?

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10/19/2005  6:02 PM
Why does it matter what they wear? Their office is the COURT.

The point of dressing "nicely" comes from what is deemed "more professional" and in jobs like people on Wall Street, corporate positions and even accountants is because the perception of who they are depends on their look.

The only reason the NBA is doing this is because they are "concerned" about the way "certain" players dress, because of THE PRESS. Not the fans, or anyone else because we rarely get to see them in person, unless you are stalking them, or trying to catch a glimpse of them out of an arena.

They are recorded on TV in their locker rooms but so are NFL, MLB and NHL players, but do they have a dress code rule? Not that I am aware of. The Yankees do, but that's an organization decision.

Cuban hits hit on the head. The NBA is so individually obsessed and most are black, that people see what they want to see...based on racial sterotypes...aka racism (in my view).

It would be very interesting to see how the NBA would be if they did what Cuban said in his blog, with regards to focus on the plays, rather than "he's not earning his paycheck."


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10/19/2005  6:56 PM
how many times did we as fans gripe about allan or some other Knick not earning their pay?
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10/19/2005  6:57 PM
furthermore, there are suits available at big and tall and such for reasonable prices. they might not be the sharpest suits, but they are $500 or less.
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10/19/2005  7:00 PM
I dont get it... its business casual. Go to Sears, sped $250 and get 5 shirts, 3 pants, 2 jackets, a bag of socks and leather belt. Done deal. Get yourself a pair of black shoes and a pair of brown. Ok.. better make it $400. If I can hack it I think they can too
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10/19/2005  7:02 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I dont get it... its business casual. Go to Sears, sped $250 and get 5 shirts, 3 pants, 2 jackets, a bag of socks and leather belt. Done deal. Get yourself a pair of black shoes and a pair of brown. Ok.. better make it $400. If I can hack it I think they can too

Yeah, the money part of it was a dumb argument.
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10/19/2005  10:33 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by fishmike:

I dont get it... its business casual. Go to Sears, sped $250 and get 5 shirts, 3 pants, 2 jackets, a bag of socks and leather belt. Done deal. Get yourself a pair of black shoes and a pair of brown. Ok.. better make it $400. If I can hack it I think they can too

Yeah, the money part of it was a dumb argument.

Guys, simply because you may find it ok to sop at Sears and buy "cheap" clothes doesn't mean everyone has to. The AVERAGE height in the NBA is 6' 7". I'm sorry, you cannot get clothes at Sears for people that tall. You have to get custom clothes (or at "Big and Tall" stores) which all have prices that run higher than the average person. Secondly, if one has any care about fashion you don't go shopping at Sears. These cats are not going to get designer clothes and tailored suits in a place like that.

You go to a professional or designer label to buy clothes. I suspect they will buying many suits and clothes to fit the so-called "expectations" of the public and now the NBA dress code.

I'm not saying they're poor. I mean, damn, they make a very good amount of money, but WHY should they have to buy these clothes when other leagues don't have this rule. I know I sound like an apoligist for rich people, but it's more than that. Even in the NFL they cracked down on doo rags, and such. The point here is not as much financial (that's a minimal, side issue) as much as the fact that it is intended to dissimulate things that the NBA is worried give it a bad rep.


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10/20/2005  12:35 AM
This is a tempest in a teapot. I don't care what the hell they wear. I also don't care if "the boss" makes them wear a certain outfit. Things are tough all over.

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10/20/2005  2:49 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by nyk4ever:

As much as I disagree about the dress code stuff Mark is right on with ALOT of stuff in his blog. He has been on the NBA for the mindless drivel that they spew during EVERY game minute after minute for awhile now and he is totally right. I just can't get over the fact that the people are still saying this dress code isn't right. I think of all the accountants and people that work on wall street, they are making mostly between 60,000-100,000 a year and these people are wear suits EVERYDAY to work. Why can't these NBA players wear suits to the games when even rookies make almost 4-5 times that these people make in just one year.

What is the correlation between your salary and how you should dress?


The correlation is that people all over the United States who work in a Business setting are told to wear suits or business casual to work everyday by the boss. Now the boss of the NBA is telling NBA players to do the same thing and they shouldn't have a problem buying this clothing becuase they are buying the same thing that everyone else in America wears in this type of setting, whome also make MUCH LESS income yearly then NBA players.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-20-2005 2:50 PM]
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10/20/2005  5:51 PM
The NBA is not like everyone else's setting.
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10/20/2005  6:58 PM
Posted by Knight:

The NBA is not like everyone else's setting.

Says who? David Stern sure doesn't think it's different. Like it or not the NBA is a business and the employees of this business get paid VERY handosmely to play a sport, this isn't a profession where the employees are making life or death decisions, they are getting paid millions to do something they love. So when the boss of this business tells them that he wants people dressed in business casual then they better listen because alot of corporate advertising and all kinds of corporate decisions are being made daily, these are the decisions that allow the owners to pay these employees the amount of money they do get paid so David Stern has every single right to tell them what to wear while on COMPANY TIME.
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10/20/2005  11:21 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Knight:

The NBA is not like everyone else's setting.

Says who? David Stern sure doesn't think it's different. Like it or not the NBA is a business and the employees of this business get paid VERY handosmely to play a sport, this isn't a profession where the employees are making life or death decisions, they are getting paid millions to do something they love. So when the boss of this business tells them that he wants people dressed in business casual then they better listen because alot of corporate advertising and all kinds of corporate decisions are being made daily, these are the decisions that allow the owners to pay these employees the amount of money they do get paid so David Stern has every single right to tell them what to wear while on COMPANY TIME.


The NBA makes money specifically because of the "hip-hop" image--why do so many kids love the NBA--because of it's business casual image? Hell no. How many arenas play hip-hop music? How many times have you heard the Black Eyed Peas in NBA commercials? They want to market to the young generation but want their players to represent something else? Gay.

[Edited by - Knight on 10-20-2005 11:22 PM]
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10/21/2005  1:43 AM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Knight:

The NBA is not like everyone else's setting.

Says who? David Stern sure doesn't think it's different. Like it or not the NBA is a business and the employees of this business get paid VERY handosmely to play a sport, this isn't a profession where the employees are making life or death decisions, they are getting paid millions to do something they love. So when the boss of this business tells them that he wants people dressed in business casual then they better listen because alot of corporate advertising and all kinds of corporate decisions are being made daily, these are the decisions that allow the owners to pay these employees the amount of money they do get paid so David Stern has every single right to tell them what to wear while on COMPANY TIME.


The NBA makes money specifically because of the "hip-hop" image--why do so many kids love the NBA--because of it's business casual image? Hell no. How many arenas play hip-hop music? How many times have you heard the Black Eyed Peas in NBA commercials? They want to market to the young generation but want their players to represent something else? Gay.

[Edited by - Knight on 10-20-2005 11:22 PM]

Exactly, this is not the same as working at a regular office job, and in many ways the problem I have, as Knight expressed is due to the fact that NBA MAKES HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY OFF OF THE "HIP-HOP" IMAGE. They seem to have no problem linking the NBA with hip-hop when convenient, but once they think it, or parts of it, will be a detriment to their economic vitality they decide to make rules that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL PROBLEM (I'm referring to some players' alleged bad attitude, and fights like the Detroit-Indiana one). The NBA uses hip-hop like a "mistress." (I borrowed that line from someone else).

The question which is being avoided is WHY is this rule being instituted at all??
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10/21/2005  1:49 AM
And let's not even start with the money the NBA makes off those basketball video games which are saturated with "hip-hop"...NBA Street?
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