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Is there one player on our roster that is known for using the film room analyze opponents????
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diderotn
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10/19/2005  11:45 AM
It appears to me that this is one of the art of basketball that is disappearing. Back in the days, guys like Jordan and many other great players would study their opponents before playing them, but as it was very evident last night, Marb and Crawff have failed miserably to identify the weakness of the players that they were guarding. Iguodala on the other hand showed that he recognized Crawff's weakness while he was on defense and forced Crawff to utilize his weakness instead of his strength.

I know that Brown is old school, and if there is anything that I would love for him to teach our boys, it is: scouting. Our boys need to spend many hours in the film room to study their opponents, that will help them in every facets of the game; defensively and offensively.
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10/19/2005  12:04 PM
I know there's a player on our roster that is known for intimidating and badmouthing assistant coaches to their face during film room sessions.

Maybe that's why Marbury's defense still stinks.
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10/19/2005  12:10 PM
malik rose is a defender who likes to exploit weaknesses. i can see ariza doing the same thing. but marbury and crawford are not going to go that extra mile for defense.
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10/19/2005  12:21 PM
dido, I thought you were not able to watch the game? Are you making the Iguodala - Craw observation from studying the box?
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10/19/2005  1:15 PM
The media will not report on a guy like this until we start winning. When we do they will pick their hero and talk about how hard he works and how much he studies film.
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10/19/2005  1:56 PM
No, I am not making up the Iguodala observation. Late last night, ESPN SHowed a few clips of the game...

Posted by Andrew:

dido, I thought you were not able to watch the game? Are you making the Iguodala - Craw observation from studying the box?


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10/19/2005  2:04 PM
Dido, you must get a league pass and watch the games.

One cannot with accuracy comment as you do unless you see it.

There are so many intagables that a box score or high lights cannot capture them.

Boost your cred or lay back on the critique.

That, or get your stuff from NBALive?
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10/19/2005  2:08 PM
Nalo! I will get a league pass...
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10/19/2005  2:17 PM
I would wait to get a league pass after December when they cut the price drastically and the team has actually come to gel and play good basketball. I bought a league pass last year and that turned out to be the worst purchase in my life. I think the player scouting should be done by the coaches and implemented into the practices, team video sessions, and game strategy.

[Edited by - Knight on 10-19-2005 2:18 PM]
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10/19/2005  2:45 PM
Guys like Marburry really need to study whomever that he is going to face to identify his strength or weaknesses as an offensive or defensive player. Kobe does it..
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10/19/2005  4:42 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Dido, you must get a league pass and watch the games.

One cannot with accuracy comment as you do unless you see it.

There are so many intagables that a box score or high lights cannot capture them.

Boost your cred or lay back on the critique.

That, or get your stuff from NBALive?

To be fair, I made the exact same comment in a different post I made in the Knicks-Sixers game thread last night (and I did not even know ESPN said anything about it):

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=11973&page=8

I'm not so certain that Crawford isn't quick enough to guard PG's. Jamal has a very good amount of quickness, I think it's defensive instincts more than anything else. There was a play in tonight's game when his man who the annoucers (Breen & Fraizer) knew favored his right hand. Crawford was guarding him straight up, so the player faked left and went to his right, past Jamal to the basket. Comare that to the Sixers' Iguodala, who on an earlier play was guarding Crawford. He clearly knew that Jamal likes to go to his right, but being as good a defender as he is, he guarded him what seemed to be straight up. However, when Jamal tried his little dribble-fake to the left Iguodala didn't go for the fake, shuffled backwards to Jamal's right figuring Jamal was headed that way, and drew the charge. That to me is one of Jamal's glaring weaknesses (as much as I like Crawford), not necessarily any lack of quickness to guard PG's.

It should be said that I think Crawford has played better D this pre-season than last year. I've seen more intensity from him (in yesterday's game and in the 2nd half of tonight's game), despite his overall inconsistent play. I uspect that the adjustment defensively as well as on the offensive end is what is causing him to struggle, thusfar.

Unless you are a hardcore NBA addict and watch every game, I don't think anyone here is necessarily an expert. Some probably have more knowledge of the game than others, and some do watch more. However even if one had League Pass, there is no way I would watch every game, unless I was or planned/expected to be making a living analyzing basketball.

Do you guys with League Pass really watch every game, every night? Also, isn't it kind of impossible to watch all of the games unless you tape them, because many games occur at the same time, and it would seem difficult to get "the most accurate" representation of a team if you only watch clips here and there, while flipping between games.

Certainly even the NBA "experts" have been wrong. So even those that think they know something don't necessarily know everything. When we watch those clips with their comments it certainly has an effect on our perception of players. Of course, it's better to comment after watching complete games, but I highlights can certainly tell us something, especially if we see it on a consistent basis, and observe them carefully. They do miss the picture, especially when on with certain offensive highlights, but when guys like Iguodala, who have good defensive reputations, make good defenisve plays and they highlight it, as well as other plays that support the comment, I think the evidence becomes a key reason to believe that they may be onto something.

Anyway, no disrespect intended Nalod, I just felt that it sounded a bit harsh to suggest that one has to have league pass to be able to comment on anything with "accuracy."
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10/19/2005  4:59 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Dido, you must get a league pass and watch the games.

One cannot with accuracy comment as you do unless you see it.

There are so many intagables that a box score or high lights cannot capture them.

Boost your cred or lay back on the critique.

That, or get your stuff from NBALive?


Dido you can't watch the games!!!
But you have so many comments about the players and coaches!
The early bird special is still on for NBA League Pass. While your preception is better than most, it is still difficult to truly understand without seeing. I TIVO games now, so I can be snitty.
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10/19/2005  5:00 PM
Dido needs a league pass cuz he lives out of the NYC area and if he wants to watch knick games with any regularity, that is how to do it.

I did not suggest he watch 10 games nitely. Mrs. Dido might suggest it, but not me!
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10/19/2005  5:05 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Dido needs a league pass cuz he lives out of the NYC area and if he wants to watch knick games with any regularity, that is how to do it.

I did not suggest he watch 10 games nitely. Mrs. Dido might suggest it, but not me!
MSG is on DirectTV sports package. If you just really want to follow the Knicks no need to get the Pass. You may not get to see them the first time around due to the blackout but you can catch them on Knick Rewind at midnite. Yes sucks because they won't let you watch Yankee games no matter what if they are blacked out. Hell last nite Yankeeograhy was blocked out

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10/19/2005  5:17 PM
I didn't have to watch the Giants/Cowboys game to understand that they only had 57 yards total offense in the first half and didn't capitalize on turnovers...you don't have to actually see every game to know what's going on with your favorite team.
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10/19/2005  5:21 PM
Posted by Knight:

I didn't have to watch the Giants/Cowboys game to understand that they only had 57 yards total offense in the first half and didn't capitalize on turnovers...you don't have to actually see every game to know what's going on with your favorite team.

NOr would you comment on small details from a 15 second highlight film!

One example, Reezy last year made so much happen that would not show up on the stat sheet. Likewise, Marbs playing the last few minutes of a game down 15 points shooting the ball to pad his stats is misleading. Define a great game that way, and its misleading.

Sure you can FOLLOW! But thats not what we do around here, its a little more involved.


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10/19/2005  5:25 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Knight:

I didn't have to watch the Giants/Cowboys game to understand that they only had 57 yards total offense in the first half and didn't capitalize on turnovers...you don't have to actually see every game to know what's going on with your favorite team.

NOr would you comment on small details from a 15 second highlight film!

One example, Reezy last year made so much happen that would not show up on the stat sheet. Likewise, Marbs playing the last few minutes of a game down 15 points shooting the ball to pad his stats is misleading. Define a great game that way, and its misleading.

Sure you can FOLLOW! But thats not what we do around here, its a little more involved.

No, you can look at a gamecast and see who's in the game and when points are scored and what the situation is. Combine that with the written reports of the game and tv highlights and analysis and a general knowledge of basketball and you are in a good position to critique the players. Any fan who goes back to review game footage in order to come up with minute analysis needs to get a life.

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10/19/2005  6:04 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Knight:

I didn't have to watch the Giants/Cowboys game to understand that they only had 57 yards total offense in the first half and didn't capitalize on turnovers...you don't have to actually see every game to know what's going on with your favorite team.

NOr would you comment on small details from a 15 second highlight film!

One example, Reezy last year made so much happen that would not show up on the stat sheet. Likewise, Marbs playing the last few minutes of a game down 15 points shooting the ball to pad his stats is misleading. Define a great game that way, and its misleading.

Sure you can FOLLOW! But thats not what we do around here, its a little more involved.

C'mon man, you're taking this too seriously. We're a online Knick FAN forum. People can say what they like based on what they see, read or hear. Even those who "see" the games don't necessarily see all that is right. It's not that big of a deal.


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10/20/2005  7:59 AM
I have asked about the league pass, but it is not being offered in my area. I will probably have to get direct T.V. to have access.

[Edited by - diderotn on 10-20-2005 08:05 AM]
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10/20/2005  10:12 AM
Things for our back court to consider.....they will need to take the time and study how Hughes and Arenas played when they were together, especially if Crawff and Marb are the starters. Those two did a hell of a job defending their opponents, they have caused a lot of turn overs and both have gotten a lot of steals between them.
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