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BRIGGS
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10/17/2005  10:11 AM
he played pretty good night 1 and AWFUL last night--that has been his signature in the nba--consistently inconsistent. He seemed to play PG really really well at the end of last year, but looked like he never played th e position before last night, getting stuck in between several times, and when he shot, he was WAY off. we NEED Craw, he is a vital piece. I hope his summer wasnt all about partying--his body does not look stronger, atleast imho--maybe he is a true ectomorph, i dont know, but it appears like he has the ability to add muscularity to his frame. I want to see him play smarter, harder from day 1--maybe he should be placed with unit 2--we do need shooting with that unit--moving Q Marbury and Ariza into 1-2-3
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10/17/2005  10:16 AM
last nite prolly was nerves combined with steph's presence (not wanting to step on Steph toes). he seems to have LB's confidence in being able to run the show. hopefully Crawford will trust that the juice in the front-office is no longer Steph's but LB's and come out assertive and confident as the season moves on.
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10/17/2005  10:21 AM
Why is it that so many of you want to see Steph fail???? I don't get it; in my opinion, I want all of our guys to succeed, because if they do well as a team, we will all be happy as fans. I am sick and tired of you fans that root for players but not the team.
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10/17/2005  10:23 AM
he's going to have to learn. Marbury is going to be the 2 guard this year by need if not by design. Take a look:
Houston: shot
Penny: if he's not shot now he will be by Christmas
Q/Ariza: Can certainly play 2, but right now they are the rotation for the 3

That leaves Crawford/Nate at the 1 and Marbury getting 35 minutes a night at the SG IMO.

He's coachable. I think LB can get through to him.
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10/17/2005  10:35 AM
IT doesn't matter who is technically the PG or SG. On this team our players are interchangeable. Lets just say GUARDS and be done with it. JC is not a better playmaker than Steph and my never be, still he can get better at setting up the offense and I think he will. I'm not really that worried about that.

This team is far from what it will be and I don't think we need to get too worked up by how guys look so far. Its way too early to be concerned.
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10/17/2005  10:42 AM
Posted by fishmike:

he's going to have to learn. Marbury is going to be the 2 guard this year by need if not by design. Take a look:
Houston: shot
Penny: if he's not shot now he will be by Christmas
Q/Ariza: Can certainly play 2, but right now they are the rotation for the 3

That leaves Crawford/Nate at the 1 and Marbury getting 35 minutes a night at the SG IMO.

He's coachable. I think LB can get through to him.


All the more reason I think that Craw or Marbs need to be shipped out for a true shooting guard. Dallas?
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10/17/2005  10:43 AM
nobody wants to see Steph fail...again. Taking the ball and decision making process out of his hands is a start towards this.

No guard on this team can score like Steph. Steph is not a better passer than JC or Nate. Last night we saw once again the ONLY pass Steph is capable of making and that is the kick-out to the guy who sets the screen for him. in contrast, the entry pass JC thru to Curry was a perfect led pass into the interior of the D and the one Nate found Lee with was a beauty. Steph gets that deep he is shooting.

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-17-2005 10:44 AM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-17-2005 10:44 AM]
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10/17/2005  10:51 AM
Posted by McK1:

nobody wants to see Steph fail...again. Taking the ball and decision making process out of his hands is a start towards this.

No guard on this team can score like Steph. Steph is not a better passer than JC or Nate. Last night we saw once again the ONLY pass Steph is capable of making and that is the kick-out to the guy who sets the screen for him. in contrast, the entry pass JC thru to Curry was a perfect led pass into the interior of the D and the one Nate found Lee with was a beauty. Steph gets that deep he is shooting.

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-17-2005 10:44 AM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-17-2005 10:44 AM]


man it really surprises me how many people here feel that way. i certainly agree that steph isn't a true rhythmic passer like kidd, the receiver usually has to adapt a bit to steph's passes, but i still think he's a great pg and those 8 assists a game aren't a fluke. i hardly feel confident having that responsibility in craw's hands.
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10/17/2005  10:58 AM
I agree, I much prefer Steph as the point guard. Maybe he can play 2 guard for small spurts. But he was having problems with Christie last night. I mean, c'mon! Doug Christie? what's going to happen when he has to guard Vince, Kobe, Richardson, etc.

Craw should mainly play the 2 for now. I thought he could still be a good 2 guard if he just learns better shot selection. It looks like he's committed to playing defense. Who would thought that?!
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10/17/2005  10:58 AM
As I said in the game thread, I think Jamal is going to take the longest in learning what he should and shouldn't be doing on offense. This system puts a lot of the decision making weight in his hands, and you can see him second guessing himself out there right now.

But, he IS trying his ass off on defense which is a good sign.

I think Jamal and Steph will trade turns iniating the offense, but Jamal will take a while to look right doing it. I could see starting Marbs, Q and Ariza at the 1,2,3.
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10/17/2005  11:12 AM
I still believe that our lineup should be:
Steph, Q, Lee, Frye and Curry or Steph, Q, Ariza, Curry and James...You guys take for granted the type of things that Marburry can do...I don't believe that Billups is a better guard or player than Steph. In fact they are similar, but Marb is a much better scorer. People need to stop trying to change Marb style of play, I think that it is behoove everyone to allow this kid to be the type of player he was created to be. There are things about his game that need to be adjusted, I.E. his defense, but as for decision making, he has done a hell of a job so far. Averaging 8 assists per game is not easy to do. I am hoping that this kid will continue to average 8 apg this season, because we will definitely need them

[Edited by - diderotn on 10-17-2005 11:23 AM]
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10/17/2005  11:22 AM
Dave D's brief assessment of Crawford [and Curry] in pre-season game 1:

and with continued development from their younger guys they're going to scare the hell out of everybody this season.

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And by the way: That doesn't even cover the young guys on their first unit, such as Eddy Curry (still a beast, with 16 points in 13 minutes) or Jamal Crawford, who broke three or four pairs of ankles with crossover moves and -- no joke -- stayed under control.

Steph runs the pick and pop 20 + times a game and from KG to Kurt he has always had a big man who could consistently knock down open 15 footers. the other thing he does well is iso. 90% of Steph's assists come on some type of dribble drive play where he and 1 other person actually touch the ball. I can understand in the 4th with a game in the balance chiefly running plays where only your most capable players are involve but not from tip-off to finish. thats NOT TEAM OFFENSE.

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-17-2005 11:24 AM]
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10/17/2005  11:39 AM
Steph's signature players are the pick and pop and the 2 foot handoff when he's attacking the rim. The simple fact is he's still unguardable 1on1 and he takes high% shots. In fact I think only Iverson took more layups than MArbury last year (guards).

Let him go play... he will be fine.
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10/17/2005  11:49 AM
Posted by McK1:

Dave D's brief assessment of Crawford [and Curry] in pre-season game 1:

and with continued development from their younger guys they're going to scare the hell out of everybody this season.

...

And by the way: That doesn't even cover the young guys on their first unit, such as Eddy Curry (still a beast, with 16 points in 13 minutes) or Jamal Crawford, who broke three or four pairs of ankles with crossover moves and -- no joke -- stayed under control.

Steph runs the pick and pop 20 + times a game and from KG to Kurt he has always had a big man who could consistently knock down open 15 footers. the other thing he does well is iso. 90% of Steph's assists come on some type of dribble drive play where he and 1 other person actually touch the ball. I can understand in the 4th with a game in the balance chiefly running plays where only your most capable players are involve but not from tip-off to finish. thats NOT TEAM OFFENSE.

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-17-2005 11:24 AM]


what paper is that from? I couldn't find it anywhere?
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10/17/2005  11:55 AM
Its a Nets acrticle

http://www.nj.com/newslogs/nets/index.ssf?/mtlogs/njo_netsblast/archives/2005_10.html#087629

I agree let Steph just play. Score like crazy find the spot-up guy when he can't finish. Brown hopefully can ensure words like defend and hussle become a part of his permanenet vocabulary. If so NY WINS. If not TRADE HIM.
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10/17/2005  12:04 PM
Posted by McK1:

Its a Nets acrticle

http://www.nj.com/newslogs/nets/index.ssf?/mtlogs/njo_netsblast/archives/2005_10.html#087629

I agree let Steph just play. Score like crazy find the spot-up guy when he can't finish. Brown hopefully can ensure words like defend and hussle become a part of his permanenet vocabulary. If so NY WINS. If not TRADE HIM.

Ah, thanks for the link. good read.


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10/17/2005  2:35 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by McK1:

nobody wants to see Steph fail...again. Taking the ball and decision making process out of his hands is a start towards this.

No guard on this team can score like Steph. Steph is not a better passer than JC or Nate. Last night we saw once again the ONLY pass Steph is capable of making and that is the kick-out to the guy who sets the screen for him. in contrast, the entry pass JC thru to Curry was a perfect led pass into the interior of the D and the one Nate found Lee with was a beauty. Steph gets that deep he is shooting.

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-17-2005 10:44 AM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-17-2005 10:44 AM]


man it really surprises me how many people here feel that way. i certainly agree that steph isn't a true rhythmic passer like kidd, the receiver usually has to adapt a bit to steph's passes, but i still think he's a great pg and those 8 assists a game aren't a fluke. i hardly feel confident having that responsibility in craw's hands.
Agreed. There's obviously more to passing than stats, but I bet few people realize that NO player in the NBA has gotten more assists since 1999 than Stephon Marbury. He's been one of the best playmakers in the league every year for several years.
The thought of Jamal as the PG scares me if we're trying to win now because he's our team's worst decision maker. If we don't mind growing pains and possibly having a 28 win season, then give full time PG duties to Jamal.


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10/17/2005  4:03 PM
Crawford offense was bad last night. He looked to wild. But he showed commitment to defense when he was in. And if he keeps that thought in his head then even when he doesn't score he can still be effective and eventually he will get things going on the offensive side with his passing ability. Just continue to focus on defense. 6'5, long arms, quick feet all he needs it to continue to focus. Which he has been doing.
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10/17/2005  4:11 PM
Posted by McK1:

nobody wants to see Steph fail...again. Taking the ball and decision making process out of his hands is a start towards this.

No guard on this team can score like Steph. Steph is not a better passer than JC or Nate. Last night we saw once again the ONLY pass Steph is capable of making and that is the kick-out to the guy who sets the screen for him. in contrast, the entry pass JC thru to Curry was a perfect led pass into the interior of the D and the one Nate found Lee with was a beauty. Steph gets that deep he is shooting.

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-17-2005 10:44 AM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-17-2005 10:44 AM]


Great post
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10/17/2005  4:14 PM
Posted by McK1:

Dave D's brief assessment of Crawford [and Curry] in pre-season game 1:

and with continued development from their younger guys they're going to scare the hell out of everybody this season.

...

And by the way: That doesn't even cover the young guys on their first unit, such as Eddy Curry (still a beast, with 16 points in 13 minutes) or Jamal Crawford, who broke three or four pairs of ankles with crossover moves and -- no joke -- stayed under control.

Steph runs the pick and pop 20 + times a game and from KG to Kurt he has always had a big man who could consistently knock down open 15 footers. the other thing he does well is iso. 90% of Steph's assists come on some type of dribble drive play where he and 1 other person actually touch the ball. I can understand in the 4th with a game in the balance chiefly running plays where only your most capable players are involve but not from tip-off to finish. thats NOT TEAM OFFENSE.

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-17-2005 11:24 AM]


another good post! you pin-pointed the point I've been trying to make for 3yrs. Marbury can only do so much with the ball whereas a true PG gets everyone involved and raises the level of their play
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