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Pharzeone
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10/14/2005  1:25 AM
Posted by islesfan:

He's had 2 well documented episodes of arrhythmia in the past year. How is that masked?

I wouldn't say "damaged" since that's so ambiguous. I'd say that he has a heart condition. Maybe it's mild but chest pain and lightheadedness in a 22 year old athlete isn't a good thing. And it's certainly not something that you can just dismiss like some people here are wanting to do.

That article is extremely inacurate. First only one specialist suggested taking a DNA test. Second that specialist is now being sort of discredit about his analysis, since it has been found out that he is also the of the biggest fundraisers for DNA test. Also, complaining of chest pains does not mean that you have a heart condition. Good article in the post about Marbury's heart troubles at GT last week was sort of swept under the media reports. Weight, smoking, excessive drinking, and substance abuse cause pains the the chest too. I think Curry weight issues have more to do with his chest pains then anything else. As far as watching Curry I would suggest that people pay more attention to a guy like Yao Ming or Pavel with the Mavs. 7 footers and above are more at risk of suffering from from heart failure due to stress on their heart. Wilt died from a heart attack after getting his tooth pull. His sister said that he complained about chest pain most of his life but had no history of heart trouble. Paxson now has to justify his move more and more. But he avoids the basic question that I now here some radio personnel coming out saying. If you believe this kid to have any heart trouble at all why offer him a contract? Why ask him to take a test that only tells you that he may be susceptible to heart disease? Why tender his offer sheet? Why scare off Billy Knight saying that you will match his offer? Paxson nevers answers any of those questions. He just states that people can go on questioning his motives.
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10/14/2005  7:42 AM
yea... even the first Chi doc said PAx muffed the situation.

The arrhythmia was diagnosed as benign. Every doctor that examined him cleared him to play. Nobody said his heart was damaged.

Why are we still debating this?
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10/14/2005  7:45 AM
Posted by fishmike:

yea... even the first Chi doc said PAx muffed the situation.

The arrhythmia was diagnosed as benign. Every doctor that examined him cleared him to play. Nobody said his heart was damaged.

Why are we still debating this?
You don't care at all that he had an irregular heart beat for unknown reasons? I guess our roles have reversed as usually I'm the more worry-free poster. I still support the trade, but I can't say I'm 100% comfortable with Curry's heart condition.


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10/14/2005  7:51 AM
well thats just it isnt it? What is Curry's heart condition?
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10/14/2005  8:24 AM
The Post has an article about Monty williams today. He HAS what Lewis had and played with it for 10 years! Ok, he was not a star but nonetheless he was stressing his heart everyday on the court.

I think this is more of Paxson covering his bases. He did not say what the Docs said the first time did he?

I bet it was a weight loss drug all along!
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10/14/2005  8:37 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/29518.htm

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Curry has not been diagnosed with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, but Williams' career shows a player can compete with that condition. Williams, who declined to comment yesterday, has said his case was not considered advanced as those of Lewis and Gathers.

The Knicks will not take precautions for Curry other than the defibrillator. Their opinion, after consulting an army of doctors, is the arrhythmia is benign.

Dr. David Cannom told The Post on Tuesday he examined Curry over the summer and gave him a clean bill of health. Cannom said the Bulls also had Curry checked out by Cornell doctors, and Tufts University's Mark Estes. All of them came to the same conclusion.

However, a Minnesota geneticist advised the Bulls to have Curry take a DNA test to ensure he wasn't predisposed to hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Knicks president Isiah Thomas did not ask Curry to take the test.

Cannom disputed the DNA theory.

"I thought [Curry] was subjected to a standard we just don't apply to these decisions," Cannom said. "It's not commonly accepted in any medical guidelines. There's not a single gene that suggests there'll be a fatal arrythmia. . . . They were [messing with] the patient, frankly."
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10/14/2005  8:50 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

yea... even the first Chi doc said PAx muffed the situation.

The arrhythmia was diagnosed as benign. Every doctor that examined him cleared him to play. Nobody said his heart was damaged.

Why are we still debating this?
You don't care at all that he had an irregular heart beat for unknown reasons? I guess our roles have reversed as usually I'm the more worry-free poster. I still support the trade, but I can't say I'm 100% comfortable with Curry's heart condition.

YOur right Bonnie, nobody should be 100% comfortable with this. ANd we might all be a bit baffled why the Bulls painted them into the corner like they did.

Eddie does not have a history of being the hardest worker amd combined with this "potential" problem the bulls perhaps did not want to make a huge investment.

We have to hope that both he has both the heart to improve and rebound, and the heart to play with some of the worlds greatest athletes with out it stoppping!
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10/14/2005  9:28 AM
I wonder what weight loss drugs he was on. Most of them are pretty close to over the counter speed, and until recently almost everyone of them had ephedra. Kory Stringer died from the stuff. Curry was huge. Remember he lost at least 40 pounds last year. That kind of repaid change is always cause for concern.

But the problem isnt his heart... thats been proven. Case closed. Maybe I am more comfortable because off all the research I did on it.

Hell.. Ariza is at a much bigger risk. God forbid his inhaler didnt work, he could die in minutes. Should he be playing ball? Is it safe? Does he have more a risk than guys without his condition?
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10/14/2005  10:06 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I wonder what weight loss drugs he was on. Most of them are pretty close to over the counter speed, and until recently almost everyone of them had ephedra. Kory Stringer died from the stuff. Curry was huge. Remember he lost at least 40 pounds last year. That kind of repaid change is always cause for concern.

But the problem isnt his heart... thats been proven. Case closed. Maybe I am more comfortable because off all the research I did on it.

Hell.. Ariza is at a much bigger risk. God forbid his inhaler didnt work, he could die in minutes. Should he be playing ball? Is it safe? Does he have more a risk than guys without his condition?

Logic dictates we just take all what has been written and leave it at face value. But the fact remains the bulls see it differently. Were the bulls just plain stupid?

They calling it "practicing medicine" because nobody has perfected it yet!
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10/14/2005  10:34 AM
I said it before and I'll say it again, Paxson is full of crap. ONly one guy oiut of all the Doctors Curry has seen over the years has even suggested he take a DNA test. All of the Doctors were in agreement that he does not now have HCM. He's taken all the tests that 99.9% of Cardiologists rely on to determine Heart fitness.

Can he still have a heart problem occur, certainly. Just as anyone could, but he's no more at risk of a fatal episode in the eyes of the guys who should know. I don't even understand Paxson's position. If you go to a group of Doctors and only one suggests a test that even he admits is not 100% accurate and can't rule out the condition, why make that the sole issue for your negotiation.

I'm telling you he expected that no other team would touch Curry and that he'd have him squeezed into a corner. He just didn't bank on Isaiah coming in and blowing up his plan. That's why Paxson was mad. He almost had Curry over a barrel, cuz no other team wanted him.
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10/14/2005  11:13 AM
This is what you call covering all your bases. He knows good and well Eddy Curry is not going to die on the basketball court unless someone starts shooting off rounds into the Knick bench. This guy was trying to keep the team together and he knew that Curry and Chandler's contracts were going to make it hard to sign the rest of his young stars to acceptable contracts (Deng, Hinrich and Ben Gordon). The hardest thing to find in the NBA are legit post players and now he has lost his. Look for the Bulls to suck this year and be a version of the Knicks of 2004-05. All guards and no big men. Long Live Eddy Curry!!!
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10/14/2005  11:23 AM
I think the Bulls were legit in some of their concerns about Eddie's health and his work ethic. Lets face it, he's been fat every year for 3 years until his contract year. He shows up 40 pounds lighter, stronger and is en route to having a monster season. Enter the offseason. Dalembert gets mega cash. The give Chandler mega cash. The market is set for Curry to get mega cash. Bulls have great young core and potentially a lot of cap space. They have tough decisions to make. I think they wanted to be TOO sure that everything was going to be perfect with Eddie, because they dont have the margin for error the Knicks have. If they make a mistake w/ Curry maybe it costs them Deng, Hinrich or Gordon when its their time to resign.
So the process gets dragged out. It gets ugly. Everyone and their mother has an opinion. Media is making stuff up, dramatizing comparisons to Reggie Lewis dying on the court, etc etc. Finally the soap opera is so big Pax now is faced with just losing Curry for nothing or making a deal. Enter 2 teams. The Lakers and the Knicks. Lakers offer 3 year $21mm. Knicks offer 5 years $60mm(ish). All you young and budding super agents can do the math on that one.
Given a clean bill of health by every doctor that has examined him Curry goes free and is now a Knick.

Next saga:
LBJ's "chest pains" just a ploy to force trade to NY
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10/14/2005  11:24 AM
No one should feel comfortable with this because of what Paxson and the Bulls are saying. We're all susceptible to PR and spin and Paxson has given much more than Isiah and the Knicks. In fact, all Zeke said was that he was healthy and will be playing for a long time. It's only natural to feel worried because Paxson and a zillion other journalists are building up the situation. Everybody loves a tragedy.

I'm not saying there's nothing to be worried about. But there are a thousand reasons he could of had an irregular heartbeat. I don't think it's all that healthy to lose all those pounds so fast. Couple that with taking supplements and probably eating at McDonalds for lunch, I wouldn't be surprised if his heart skipped a bit. That doesn't mean he has this one genetic mutation.

Don't feel guilty just becuase of Paxson's spin and the newspapers gloom and doom scenarios. The decision to play is Eddy's and his alone. He's a grown man, no need to treat him like a baby.
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10/14/2005  11:29 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Next saga:
LBJ's "chest pains" just a ploy to force trade to NY

you read it here first.

he and big game become known as the james gang, the most effective inside outside combo since kobe-shaq.
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10/14/2005  11:34 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I wonder what weight loss drugs he was on. Most of them are pretty close to over the counter speed, and until recently almost everyone of them had ephedra. Kory Stringer died from the stuff. Curry was huge. Remember he lost at least 40 pounds last year. That kind of repaid change is always cause for concern.

But the problem isnt his heart... thats been proven. Case closed. Maybe I am more comfortable because off all the research I did on it.

Hell.. Ariza is at a much bigger risk. God forbid his inhaler didnt work, he could die in minutes. Should he be playing ball? Is it safe? Does he have more a risk than guys without his condition?

I can only tell you what I was rushed to the hospital for when I had my irregular heart beat back in 2001. I took Stacker 2 pre the ban, and water pills. Took them before I workout and and after. Now I only take natural supplements.


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10/14/2005  11:47 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I said it before and I'll say it again, Paxson is full of crap. ONly one guy oiut of all the Doctors Curry has seen over the years has even suggested he take a DNA test. All of the Doctors were in agreement that he does not now have HCM. He's taken all the tests that 99.9% of Cardiologists rely on to determine Heart fitness.

Can he still have a heart problem occur, certainly. Just as anyone could, but he's no more at risk of a fatal episode in the eyes of the guys who should know. I don't even understand Paxson's position. If you go to a group of Doctors and only one suggests a test that even he admits is not 100% accurate and can't rule out the condition, why make that the sole issue for your negotiation.

I'm telling you he expected that no other team would touch Curry and that he'd have him squeezed into a corner. He just didn't bank on Isaiah coming in and blowing up his plan. That's why Paxson was mad. He almost had Curry over a barrel, cuz no other team wanted him.

good point, beacause he scared off Atlanta, IT just was willing to call his bluff, and he did so with 60 mil in hand and a grin....
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10/14/2005  1:05 PM
Yeah, sitting Curry out the last 19 games of the regular season while they were positioning for a higher playoff seed and then sitting him out for their entire playoff run because of a "heart problem" *wink wink* was just a scam to lowball him come contract time. Yeah, that was Paxson's plan all along.
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10/14/2005  1:16 PM
Yeah, sitting Curry out the last 19 games of the regular season while
they were positioning for a higher playoff seed and then sitting him out for their entire playoff run because of a "heart problem" *wink wink* was just a scam to lowball him come contract time. Yeah, that was Paxson's plan all along.

and the bulls woulda won the championship if Eddy was playing and everyone would of live happily ever after
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10/14/2005  1:54 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by fishmike:

Next saga:
LBJ's "chest pains" just a ploy to force trade to NY

you read it here first.

he and big game become known as the james gang, the most effective inside outside combo since kobe-shaq.


Lebron got to know that won't work this time. ITs been done!

Lebron is the best, he gottta do like CANCER to get as sign and trade out of Cleveland! Not no chest pain!

Or, he can go rob a bank. Turn to the camera and flash:

Then we get Shandon (still on the payroll) to admit he did it, all the while grabbing lebron while let off with a morals violation on his contract!

Gots to be creative now! Can't stop?

Or Lebron gets the Bird flu, dies, and Isiah resurects him. He technically is a free agent if you DIE?
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10/14/2005  1:59 PM
I don't like the idea of him getting cancer or him robbing a bank and blaming it on Shandon, however, the part where he dies and Isiah resurects him might work. I'm gonna have to fly down to Cleveland to talk to LeBron about this.
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