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djsunyc
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10/12/2005  1:41 PM
amare is a beast.
dwight is a beast in training.

amare just had microfracture surgery.
dwight is kissing the rim.

who would you rather have?
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10/12/2005  1:42 PM
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10/12/2005  1:54 PM
Today. The obvious choice would be Howard. I don't know what other skills Amare could fall back. Man to have microfracture surgery at the advance age of only 21/22 is a scary thought. I know the doctor said it is better to have this surgery while you are younger but to think that this guy will still be out jumping younger guys his age with similar ability w/o knee issues is insane. Look at Ewing pre knee surgeries at after. And Ewing never had anything as bad as microfracture surgery on his knees.
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10/12/2005  1:58 PM
Dwight Howard will be an all-star for many years. He doesn't have the same viciousness as Amare but if I had a choice, I don't want to ever think about knee problems. My knee is hurting just thinking about it and I have perfectly healthy knees.

Micro-fracture surgery - they break your knee in hopes that it will heal better.
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10/12/2005  1:59 PM
Might have asked a week or so ago.

Kissing the rim without breaking a tooth is very cool!
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10/12/2005  2:05 PM
Now, Dwight by a landslide. Amare could easily be the next C Webb. I'd be surprised if he isn't.
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10/12/2005  2:18 PM
I still have never seen Amare play defense once. I'll go with Dwight Howard, kid has a REALLY good head on his shoulders too. Not to say Amare is a troublemaker but I've read and see numerous pieces on Dwight and the kid has a REALLY good makeup to go with his sick talent.
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10/12/2005  2:27 PM
Howard will have a similar career as David Robinson..
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10/12/2005  2:31 PM
even if asked before amare's surgery I still would have a tough time. Howard is almost 7 foot tall, and is already a better rebounder and shot blocker than amare.. Howard is going to be a beast... I can now see why they took him over Okafor.. After watching him, the decision to take him number one overall was a no brainer...
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10/12/2005  2:33 PM
I'd go with Dwight. Before the injury, I don't think anyone would have chosen Dwight over Amare but I don't see how Amare will be the same player he was after this surgery is done.

[Edited by - s3231 on 10-12-2005 2:39 PM]
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10/12/2005  3:03 PM
Before the injury, I don't think anyone would have chosen Dwight over Amare

I don't know, like TKF I saw geat potential from Howard last year. The comparison to David Robinson is apt...Howard is an unbeleivably athletic true center. I wonder if Amare could kiss the rim last year?

I can see an amazing career for Howard...He might be the "Center" of a championship team before Lebron.

Of course injury can change the course of any career...

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10/12/2005  3:14 PM
Posted by oohah:

[quote]Before the injury, I don't think anyone would have chosen Dwight over Amare

I don't know, like TKF I saw geat potential from Howard last year. The comparison to David Robinson is apt...Howard is an unbeleivably athletic true center. I wonder if Amare could kiss the rim last year?

I can see an amazing career for Howard...He might be the "Center" of a championship team before Lebron.

Of course injury can change the course of any career...

oohah


His actual skill level is higher than Amare's, and Dwight added an inch +20 pounds up to 266, so he is probaly the most unbelievable physical specimen in the league in terms of size+ athletic ability, but hes also very skilled. That being said, Amare Stoudemire is a machine. I dont think his surgey is anything close to what the other guys went through from reading about it, his injury was less than one inch long and hes 22. It sounds like something he had from birth and just started to come to the surface, unlike the other players who were more longevity wear and tear injuries and much bigger areas of knee. I wouldnt write off Stoudemire, there was no doubt in my mind that he was the BEST player in the NBA during the playoffs and I think he will be back very strong.
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10/12/2005  7:39 PM
I dont think his surgey is anything close to what the other guys went through from reading about it, his injury was less than one inch long
one inch? Where did you hear that? How long were the portions of bone that microfracture surgery was done on other players? We need some kind of comparison to put Amare's in context. I know I would be VERY concerned if the franchise player on my team had microfracture surgery on "only" one inch of bone in his knee.
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10/12/2005  7:45 PM
They both had rookie seasons right out of high school at the same age. They put up similar PPG but Dwight was a better defender, blocked more shots, and grabbed more rebounds. In all fairness, Amare had an unbelievable rate of growth in his first three years, though.
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10/12/2005  8:01 PM
Posted by oohah:
Before the injury, I don't think anyone would have chosen Dwight over Amare

I don't know, like TKF I saw geat potential from Howard last year. The comparison to David Robinson is apt...Howard is an unbeleivably athletic true center. I wonder if Amare could kiss the rim last year?

I can see an amazing career for Howard...He might be the "Center" of a championship team before Lebron.

Of course injury can change the course of any career...

oohah

I like Howard a lot and think he will be a very good player in this league. However, Amare (pre-injury) is a top 3 player in the game and it was clear that he would be the most dominating player in the league now with Shaq on the decline. Howard is going to be a great defender and I'm sure he will be able to put it together on the offensive end soon, but, I just don't think he is the dominant force (right now) that Amare is when healthy. So if Amare was healthy, I would choose him because he is more proven right now while still being young enough to improve his game even more. Now from what I read, Amare's injury might not be as bad as some think. Nevertheless, it is still a serious injury that can hurt his performance.

[Edited by - s3231 on 10-12-2005 8:03 PM]
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10/12/2005  8:08 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
I dont think his surgey is anything close to what the other guys went through from reading about it, his injury was less than one inch long
one inch? Where did you hear that? How long were the portions of bone that microfracture surgery was done on other players? We need some kind of comparison to put Amare's in context. I know I would be VERY concerned if the franchise player on my team had microfracture surgery on "only" one inch of bone in his knee.
Here's some good info on the surgery actually

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9674398/

Doctors found a joint surface defect about one centimeter in diameter on the inside of the knee, and they repaired it. Suns team physician and orthopedic surgeon Thomas Carter assured team officials that he believes Stoudemire will return at 100 percent because of his age, the smaller size of the lesion and where it's located -- on the inside of the knee, an area that is not as weight-bearing as others.
Those are good reasons to be optimistic about Amare. It's still a very serious injury and I'd be very worried if I were a Suns' fan but it probably won't be as bad as the disasterous results many other players have had (C Webb, Penny, Houston, Mashburn, etc.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 10-12-2005 8:11 PM]
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10/12/2005  8:23 PM
the Amare thing actually sounds similar to the Dyess thing. dude generates SO much torque in his legs when he winds up and lifts off to dunk, you know something has to give eventually. the knee isn't made to take that kind of stress repeatedly.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 10-12-2005 8:23 PM]
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10/12/2005  11:51 PM
I think amare will be fine, even after this surgery. I love his game, and I think he is a top 5 player in this league easily. With that being said, I watch a lot of magic games(my son is a fan or Howard and francis) I watch Howard post and shoot hooks with his left hand, similar to that of channing frye who is almost 3 years older. what I am trying to say is look at your average, even good 19 year old big man and tell me how many of them are making post moves and hitting jump hooks with either hand. this kid is also a fierce rebounder, finisher and shotblocker. Amare may be more agile and more of a force now, but I can see one day Howard having a game with stats like 35pts/25/boards and 7 blocks.... He is that good, He abused the knicks last year, i can just see some monster games from this kid and the key is that He WANTS to be the best and is a very bright kid...
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10/13/2005  12:10 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I wouldnt write off Stoudemire, there was no doubt in my mind that he was the BEST player in the NBA during the playoffs and I think he will be back very strong.

You can't be the best player in the playoffs when you play absolutely no defense. Tim Duncan averaged 28 points a game(his highest in any series last year) in that series on a injured ankle. Yeah Amare averaged 38 ppg that series as well but my point is that he plays absolutely no defense. If your going to be a great bigman in this league, your going to play your man tough down low and not let him score and I haven't seen him do that yet, not even close. He can block all the shots he wants, but until he starts toughening on his man to man defense, then he gets no props from me. Basketball is played on 2 halves f the court, not one.




[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-13-2005 12:11 AM]
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10/13/2005  2:36 AM
I think it's an exaggeration to say Amare plays no defense. He's not a superstar on defense, but I'd still take him over most PFs on defense. He's solid at man to man and help defense and a good shotblocker
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