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fishmike
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10/6/2005  4:33 PM
kind of more of the same. Again... he was cleared to play. Reggie Lewis was NOT cleared to play. EC should have annual tests to make sure his condition has not progressed into something more serious, but thats precautionary. The DNA test doesnt prove anything. It can show you might be prone to develop something, but if you are it also might not show up in the DNA. I can understand 100% why EC wouldnt want that kind of information or non-information as it might be.

The guy has already been through months of tests. He's been training with Tim Grover. Anyone ever consider it had to do with a pretty drastic weight loss? That for the previous 4-5 years his body was used to playing at a certain weight, then suddenly he's 30-40 pounds (over 10%) lighter?

Fat people have enlarged hearts. EC lost a ton of weight and was playing a game that puts a huge demand on the cardio system.

Everyone (media especially) is SO focused on this one aspect, and seems to be happy ignoring the fact that the same renowned heart specialist that recommended the DNA also cleared Eddie to play in the first place.

The had months to test him. A good question would be what test *didnt* he take?
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PhilinLA
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10/6/2005  4:37 PM
the benign arrythmia could very well have come from diet supplements.
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10/6/2005  4:41 PM
he may have been jacked on ephedra or some other type of speed or caffiene to keep his weight down.

I think this whole thing has gotten out of hand. Everyone has an opinion. This whole tactic of painting a picture of Reggie Lewis dropping dead on the court just isnt fair though. People read that stuff and really internalize it, regardless of fact. Its pretty irresponsible
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10/6/2005  5:23 PM
I think Rhoden's point is that if Curry dies after collapsing on the court it will make the NBA look very bad. The media will ask why didn't the NBA invervene when they knew that he may have been playing with the condition. We would see articles saying things like, "The Knicks should not have been relied upon because they were desparate to have Curry help them and would take a more rosey eyed view of things, when an outside source, like the NBA office could have intervened."

To be honest, I kind of think Rhoden's right. Even if the DNA test comes up negative, the NBA can at least say, "We did everything within known medicine to determine if Curry had the ailment, and none of the tests came up positive." The PR would more likely shift to Curry's decision to play on his own, not the NBA's neglegence.

[Edited by - PresIke on 10-06-2005 5:24 PM]
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10/6/2005  5:29 PM
That's absurd. Every Dr. Curry has seen, including Maron cleared him to play.
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10/6/2005  5:35 PM
Oh well looks like with Friday's 6:00 PM deadline we'll know for sure tomorrow.
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10/6/2005  5:36 PM
The time for the NBA tom step in, if there was ever a time, was BEFORE he was traded. Now not only would it cost the Knicks Curry if he did step in, it cost them TT, Sweets, and multiple draft picks. The commissioner's window has passed IMO, and if he does choose to step in now, we better be getting a hell of a compensation package.
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10/6/2005  5:43 PM
it's absurd for the NBA to step in. there's a reason that it's illegal to administer this test in 40/50 states in America. It's a non-conclusive invasion of privacy. This test has bigger ramifications than just sports and I'm getting sick of idiot sports writers who "remember Reggie Lewis" and don't know jack crap about what they're talking about standing on soap boxes and screaming that we have to take this test for Eddy. So freaking irresponsible. I'll say it again: it's illegal to administer this test in 40 states in America. It should be illegal in all of them.
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10/6/2005  6:06 PM
See I dont like this article. They have not passed him on his heart tests and they reqested additional information from Chicago.

Ill try to explain again, ANY testing of his heart doesnt take long with the exception of a holter monitor which is a 24 hr test--but frankly, after 24 hrs, they just feed the data into a computer and have results--thats done finito a LONG time ago yesterday if he is SC.

You see, ANY testing of the heart quite frankly is rather quick and VERY informative. Even running a catheter through your groin to your heart takes very little time[and they DID NOT do this to him] the testing they did on him, they actually have results in seconds minutes, not hours. Even blood testing doesnt take that long if they are looking for evidence of injury to the heart. The fact that he hasnt been cleared by a team of cardiologists leads me to believe there is a problem and now they are determining if there is a course of action he can take to correct it, this is where things get hairy. I would walk away from the table, not for the Knicks sake, but for Eddie Curry and the integrity of the game if there is even a slight chance that he shows risk of a deadly rhythm or that his ventricle is either damaged or not pumping well due to cariomyopathy. See there is a fine line at some point of being a patuient with a serious problem and a patient who is deemed normal--its harder to do tests on a huge man like that, because his heart is going to measure pass normal limits--so they have to adjust their diagnostics.
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10/6/2005  6:17 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArE3r8.P0JkgXqyv9T1ToqG8vLYF?slug=ap-knicks-curry&prov=ap&type=lgns

interesting tidbit from this article: Knicks are also waiting on CHI for their medical records on Curry. That could actually be the holdup. Pax is probably still bitter at Zeke and is holding it out until the last minute.


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10/6/2005  6:20 PM
Martin, good catch. There's paperwork to be taken care of. The New York tests were all fine, and he's down there just waiting till the file is complete and he can practice with his new teammates.
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10/6/2005  6:22 PM
Posted by martin:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArE3r8.P0JkgXqyv9T1ToqG8vLYF?slug=ap-knicks-curry&prov=ap&type=lgns

interesting tidbit from this article: Knicks are also waiting on CHI for their medical records on Curry. That could actually be the holdup. Pax is probably still bitter at Zeke and is holding it out until the last minute.



a fax machine takes about 2 seconds. what they are waiting for has to be actual tapes of

other echo so they can compare--i cant think of anything else--they can compare the video tape
of one echo to another--thats what they do in heart patients so they can see changes over a period of time. paperwork transmission isnt stopping this process, it has to be videotape that has to be delivered from chicago--i would almost guarantee it.
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10/6/2005  6:23 PM
I would think that the Knicks would have requested and received Curry's medical records from Chicago at the beginning of the process.
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10/6/2005  6:25 PM
Posted by Rich:

I would think that the Knicks would have requested and received Curry's medical records from Chicago at the beginning of the process.
Are you sure the Bulls would have sent them?

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10/6/2005  6:28 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by Rich:

I would think that the Knicks would have requested and received Curry's medical records from Chicago at the beginning of the process.
Are you sure the Bulls would have sent them?

No one but the parties are sure of anything, but if they want the trade to go down, and there is no reason to believe that they don't, it would seem logical that they would, especialy since NBA rules mandate it.
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10/6/2005  6:29 PM
Posted by Rich:

I would think that the Knicks would have requested and received Curry's medical records from Chicago at the beginning of the process.


if he had normal results, why would they need additional records? If he tested normal, they dont need paperwork--what kind of paperwork?
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10/6/2005  6:55 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Rich:

I would think that the Knicks would have requested and received Curry's medical records from Chicago at the beginning of the process.


if he had normal results, why would they need additional records? If he tested normal, they dont need paperwork--what kind of paperwork?

to see if his heart has changed since they cleared him in June? I don't too much about this, I'm just speculating.

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10/6/2005  6:56 PM
Maybe they are looking for changes in the test results. For example if the Chicago test results were done at a certain time they would be the baseline comparison against tests taken yesterday and today. Also could be they want to confirm results (positively not necessarily negatively) against the test administered by the Knicks medical doctors. Also, perhaps they can use the additional time to justify to everyone that the Knicks are doing the absolute most thorough examination and analysis possible.
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10/6/2005  7:00 PM
as a Knick fan I am delighted by our new Center!

As a human being and sports fan, I am concerned over the manner in which this all came down. In fairness, the bulls should have had more time to deal with this as they lose a big asset without fair value in return.

There has never been this situation like this and I do thing the bulls were doing the right thing, and paid a price for it! On the flip side, I hope we are not left with a disabled or worse, dead player and a stigma of greed over this franchise.

There is winning, but doing so with hard work, solid scouting, and smart negotiating. I want to be proud of this franchise and win!

While the article does not offer a solid solution, it raises interesting points. Again, in fairness, there should have been more time.

But I am happy with our new pick up!
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10/6/2005  7:17 PM
Posted by Nalod:

as a Knick fan I am delighted by our new Center!

As a human being and sports fan, I am concerned over the manner in which this all came down. In fairness, the bulls should have had more time to deal with this as they lose a big asset without fair value in return.

There has never been this situation like this and I do thing the bulls were doing the right thing, and paid a price for it! On the flip side, I hope we are not left with a disabled or worse, dead player and a stigma of greed over this franchise.

There is winning, but doing so with hard work, solid scouting, and smart negotiating. I want to be proud of this franchise and win!

While the article does not offer a solid solution, it raises interesting points. Again, in fairness, there should have been more time.

But I am happy with our new pick up!

well, to a certain extent, Paxson CREATED this situation by, as PhilinLA has said, coming up with a new criteria for Curry to be cleared to play. Curry WAS cleared to play by many doctors, but Maron, possibly for his own reasons (i.e. acquiring patient data) recommended Curry get the DNA testing which is illegal in 40 states as a breach of privacy. The DNA would not be conclusive, it would only recommend a course of action, which is unfair in that the DNA may reveal a pre-disposition which may never come to pass. Curry has an enlarged heart, a thing that is typical to athletes and fat people. For a while, Curry was both athletic and fat. It stands to reason that he dropped 50+lbs by using dietary supplements like ephedra which could have caused an arrythma.

So, yes, it looks bad in some ways, but also reasonable in others. If the EKGs and other tests show that Curry is healthy and his heart is now functioning normally he should be cleared to play. Under NO circumstances should he be forced to take a DNA test and submit to genetic profiling. This is a bad precedent for the American people, not just Curry. Paxson made his choice, he had since April 1, 2005 to think about it. It's his call. Is it possible he was trying to use this possibly benign heart condition to lowball Curry? YES. Especially when there have been published reports that the Bulls could not afford to max BOTH Curry and Chandler. So I don't think Paxson was necessarily being a concerned citizen here, he had his own motives. Paxson made his decision. If he chose to side with a doctor promoting a test that is illegal in 40 states for violating privacy, that's his bed to lie in.
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