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crzymdups
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10/4/2005  1:53 PM
I know we do this a lot, but it strikes me that the roster we had almost two years ago is nothing like the one we have now, moreso than ever. Two years ago we were hoping McDyess would magically heal and we got excited when Frank Williams got into the game. Sweetney wasn't even playing.

started with:
PG Ward
PG Eisley
PG FWilliams
SG Houston
SF Anderson
SF KVH
PF Weatherspoon
PF Harrington
PF Sweetney
PF McDyess
PF/C KThomas
C DMutombo
C MDoleac

now:
PG Marbury
PG NRobinson
PG/SG JCrawford
SG Hardaway
SG Houston
G/F QRichardson
G/F Ariza
F Lee
PF Rose
PF/C CFrye
PF ADavis
PF MoTaylor
C JJames
C ECurry

not bad for 22 months. And it strikes me that we are seriously loaded to make a major trade at the deadline. KG? Insanely, it's not out of the realm of possibilities.
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martin
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10/4/2005  2:00 PM
the roster update is amazing.

and to think that Penny expires this year, MoT & Houston next, and Rose after that. WOW.
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MS
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10/4/2005  2:05 PM
Isiah also just invested 90 million dollars in centers whose hearts have been questioned in the past and both are career underachievers on the glass, add Channing Frye to the mix and our rebounding is not all that strong. I would like to see the knicks look to move crawford, frye, penny, picks, Ariza for KG, and then add a some journeyman small foward for some minutes

Still leaves the team with

Marbury/Nate Rob
Q/Houston
Lee
KG/Rose
Curry/James
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10/4/2005  2:28 PM
As I posted else where, and not to take anything away from Isiah, the fact that he was let off the leash to substantially increase the payroll is the only reason he was able to make most of those deals!

Never could anyone imagine the kind of money it would take and actually be able to do it.

If AD gets released, we are paying his 13.5 million dollar contract! ANd Shandons. Thats 20 mil on two players, let alone Hardaway 14mil. Thats 35 million on three players! ANd JYD, whole not on the books, add 8mil, thats 43million!

Im not complaining, but we say its "Isiah", its Dolan!
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10/4/2005  2:29 PM
Posted by MS:

Isiah also just invested 90 million dollars in centers whose hearts have been questioned in the past and both are career underachievers on the glass, add Channing Frye to the mix and our rebounding is not all that strong. I would like to see the knicks look to move crawford, frye, penny, picks, Ariza for KG, and then add a some journeyman small foward for some minutes

Still leaves the team with

Marbury/Nate Rob
Q/Houston
Lee
KG/Rose
Curry/James


that would be awesome man! at least now that we have Curry we don't have to bank on that happening so desperately
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10/4/2005  2:49 PM
Posted by Nalod:

As I posted else where, and not to take anything away from Isiah, the fact that he was let off the leash to substantially increase the payroll is the only reason he was able to make most of those deals!

Never could anyone imagine the kind of money it would take and actually be able to do it.

If AD gets released, we are paying his 13.5 million dollar contract! ANd Shandons. Thats 20 mil on two players, let alone Hardaway 14mil. Thats 35 million on three players! ANd JYD, whole not on the books, add 8mil, thats 43million!

Im not complaining, but we say its "Isiah", its Dolan!
The payroll's always been high, though. You can have a high payroll and fail miserably (like Layden's Knicks) in sports. Isiah's still done a good job of spotting and acquiring talent. That takes a lot of skills whether or not you have a high payroll.
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10/4/2005  2:49 PM
honestly I think he could have done better. Mo T and JJ still dont make sense to me. He's certainly rolled the dice and I commend him for that. The Curry gamble is crazy. I wish it was just money and this guy's life wasnt part of the gamble. It would make me feel a lot better if it wasnt.

The talent and age change is GREAT. Its just amazing to me though how his two questionable moves are haunting him right now. How bad is the JJ signing now? How much better would we be with Swift or if he's not available Reggie Evans?

This is why just because you NEED (rv) a center doesnt mean making a bad deal makes sense. Now we have Curry, one of the bright young bigs in the game.

Anyway I wont cry about Diogu, JJ or anyone else. I'm using all my voodoo power and the force to make sure Curry's heart doesnt blow up.

Even more nuts is there are at least 2-3 guys that arent going to finish the year here.
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10/4/2005  3:01 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

As I posted else where, and not to take anything away from Isiah, the fact that he was let off the leash to substantially increase the payroll is the only reason he was able to make most of those deals!

Never could anyone imagine the kind of money it would take and actually be able to do it.

If AD gets released, we are paying his 13.5 million dollar contract! ANd Shandons. Thats 20 mil on two players, let alone Hardaway 14mil. Thats 35 million on three players! ANd JYD, whole not on the books, add 8mil, thats 43million!

Im not complaining, but we say its "Isiah", its Dolan!
The payroll's always been high, though. You can have a high payroll and fail miserably (like Layden's Knicks) in sports. Isiah's still done a good job of spotting and acquiring talent. That takes a lot of skills whether or not you have a high payroll.

Dude,

we won 33 games last year.

What you say is all on paper. All Isiah has done was turn it over using huge amounts of money, and change the upside.

Don't get me wrong, and IM not being critical, but you ignoring this biggest bargaining chip was Daddy Dolans millions! Sick amounts of money! Dolans confidence in Isiah is very high. Its all been documented.

The keen talent eye has yet to pay dividends. I like most have hopes.

Think Paying AD's salary was not a big part of the trade? 13.5 mil and then releasing him is not big? HOw many teams can do that?

Over pay for Craw? HOw many teams can do that? Take on Hardaways salary? what was left, almost 40 mil? How many teams could do that!

I give him a few nods, and I like the taking back of draft picks! I like a lot of the moves, but it don't happen with huge cash outlays! We are so far ahead of other teams payroll its not even funny!

Its more interesting now, and we can sit on this team and let them mature.

ON the short run, we at best made the second round. ITs a start.

Exec of the year? I don't know if they do that by being able to payout what we do, and take on Curry's heart.


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10/4/2005  3:03 PM
and just to throw a dash of reality on the party

Yes, the individuals on the roster are younger, better; yes, the roster on paper might be more balanced.

Until this collection of players start winning and competiting, we have Team Frankenstein (or FrankenKnicks).

Also, adding these players has cost us- picks & flexibility at times. And, I'm not sure the 'Win Now, Instant Gratification' philosphy is consistent with 'Build a Championship team'.
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10/4/2005  3:07 PM
Don't forget Jackie Butler!
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10/4/2005  6:52 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

As I posted else where, and not to take anything away from Isiah, the fact that he was let off the leash to substantially increase the payroll is the only reason he was able to make most of those deals!

Never could anyone imagine the kind of money it would take and actually be able to do it.

If AD gets released, we are paying his 13.5 million dollar contract! ANd Shandons. Thats 20 mil on two players, let alone Hardaway 14mil. Thats 35 million on three players! ANd JYD, whole not on the books, add 8mil, thats 43million!

Im not complaining, but we say its "Isiah", its Dolan!
The payroll's always been high, though. You can have a high payroll and fail miserably (like Layden's Knicks) in sports. Isiah's still done a good job of spotting and acquiring talent. That takes a lot of skills whether or not you have a high payroll.

Dude,

we won 33 games last year.
Why is there an expectation that he should have turned Layden's mess into a good team in his first full season? The direction of the team is much more important thant its record in Isiah's first full season.
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10/4/2005  8:57 PM
I still have misgiviings about giving up on Sweetney but as my father told me the other day..."if you trust Isiah when he says Sweetney's gonna be great, then you should trust him now when he makes this move for Curry".

Hey, the old dude knows his stuff....I can't argue with him.

Question for you guys. If this team were to pull together this year and god forbid...go to the eastern conference finals and lose, what part in it would Isiah have played? Minor, Major, No part?

I ask because the way you're talking, anyone could have pulled this monstrocity out of the muck...anyone could have gotten LB to come coach..and anyone could have gotten Curry to basically force a trade to the Knicks (and we know Curry vetoed other offers).

Please explain

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10/4/2005  8:59 PM
Younger, faster, more athletic, and yes, a better use of the cap, with a couple of exceptions.
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10/4/2005  10:05 PM
He sure has made a lot of trades and spent a lot of Mr. Dolan's money. The knicks are now younger and more athletic. Reading that list of players from the Layden era reminds me of how depressing that team was.

However, the ultimate judgment can't come until we see this team come together and win some games. Now we have a real coach and some good players. No more excuses.
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