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9/27/2005  2:14 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Agzeil6FQNy33m3V.cbEQ3G8vLYF?slug=ap-spurs-oberto&prov=ap&type=lgns

Another gold medalist from Argentina joins defending champion Spurs

By CHRIS SHERIDAN, AP Basketball Writer
September 24, 2005

PALISADES, N.Y. (AP) -- Fabricio Oberto wore a sad smile while speaking longingly of the luxury Porsche SUV he had to dispose of in Spain earlier this summer. His new ride is a four-door Dodge station wagon more functional than flamboyant.

His villa in the lively city of Valencia is empty now, too, his wife and baby daughter having already abandoned the Mediterranean coast to relocate deep in the heart of Texas.

The celebrity status that the 6-foot-10 Oberto enjoyed in Argentina and Spain is gone, too, replaced by virtual anonymity in the country he now calls home. On the few occasions he is recognized in San Antonio, he is pleasantly surprised by the preponderance of Spanish-speaking Spurs fans.


``It's like a new life,'' Oberto said. ``New country, and in the family we have a new member. I keep telling people I feel like I'm 22 again.''

Oberto, 30, sat at a picnic table outside a conference center where the NBA was conducting its rookie orientation program and cheerfully looked ahead to joining the defending champion Spurs.

Not many in America have heard of Oberto, who schooled Vlade Divac in the 2002 World Championship gold medal game and stood his own against Tim Duncan in the Olympic semifinals in Athens.

With NBA training camps set to open Oct. 4, the Spurs might have improved more than any other team. But while most of the focus has centered on the signings of free agents Michael Finley and Nick Van Exel, the move that might end up helping most was adding the big man from Argentina whose soft hands, accurate touch and superior basketball IQ will add another low-post weapon to a roster that already includes the most fundamentally sound big man in the world.

``I don't know if I am a mystery. I don't have any secret weapons or anything,'' Oberto said. ``I just work hard every day. That is the philosophy of my life.''

Oberto first tried to make it to the NBA with the Knicks during the summer of 1999, spending much of his 10 days in New York on the receiving end of rants from then-coach Jeff Van Gundy. Oberto was stunned when the Knicks told him they wouldn't be bringing him to Boston with their summer-league team, and he looks back on it as the worst days of his professional career.

``I realized then, I think I was set up,'' said Oberto, whose Knicks tryout kept him from playing on Argentina's national team in the 1999 Olympic qualifier. ``They didn't tell me until the last day, and I felt really bad about that. They didn't tell me I needed to play a couple more years. If they had said that, I could have accepted their point.''


Dejected, he signed with Tau Ceramica in Spain.

The Spurs tried to sign him late in the summer of 1999, general manager R.C. Buford recalled, but missed the deadline for Oberto's buyout.

Oberto spent two seasons with Tau and three with Pamesa Valencia in Spain, rejoining his national team in the summers and winning a silver medal at the 2002 World Championships in Indianapolis and a gold at the 2004 Olympics in Athens.

``Playing in Europe so many years, you see more strategy, not so much freestyle game. You learn how to make plays for your teammates. For me, that is one of my powers,'' Oberto said.

An affordable buyout clause allowed Oberto to become a free agent at the start of this summer, and the Spurs grabbed him at the last second after he was set to sign with Memphis.

Indiana also expressed interest but instead decided to sign Lithuanian guard Sarunas Jasikevicius -- another seasoned European pro making the jump to the NBA at a relatively advanced age.

``I think in the end he decided he wanted to play with Manu (Ginobili),'' agent Herb Rudoy said. ``He was a hair's breadth away from going to (Memphis).

The Spurs were ecstatic to land Oberto, especially after coach Gregg Popovich -- as assistant on the U.S. national team in 2002, 2003 and 2004 -- had watched him carve up the competition in international tournaments.

At the World Championship gold medal game in Indianapolis, Oberto outscored Divac 28-3, his defense frustrating the Serbian center into one of the poorest performances of his career -- 1-for-10 shooting from the field, 1-for-6 from the line. A disputed non-call at the end of regulation forced overtime, and Argentina went on to lose to Yugoslavia.

``I still haven't seen a tape of that game, only when they've showed highlights in Argentina, and almost everyone starts crying. But it taught us a lot of things for the Olympic games,'' Oberto said.

Oberto had to sit out the Olympic gold medal game against Italy after breaking his hand in a semifinal victory over the United States. When Valencia's season ended, he decided to take another crack at the league where countrymen Ginobili and Andres Nocioni have begun to flourish.

``As soon as we finished this year in Pamesa, I called my agent and said I need to try to get there, and I was going to wait until something happens. If a team had come with an offer that was not enough, I'd stay in Europe. But I wanted to see the offer. I haven't in all my career seen an offer from the NBA, so I waited,'' Oberto said.

After defeating Detroit for the NBA title, San Antonio originally set its sights on signing a different Argentine player, forward Luis Scola. But the Spurs had to shift gears after realizing they wouldn't be able to secure a buyout of Scola's Spanish League contract.

Oberto and Scola spoke regularly at the time, and Oberto said he still feels strange about having landed a job that originally was supposed to go to one of his best friends. Oberto arrived in San Antonio in early September and spent two weeks working out with Duncan at the Spurs' practice facility.

Buford said Oberto will compete with Nazr Mohammed and Rasho Nesterovic for playing time at center while also serving as the backup to Duncan at power forward.

Oberto has no preconceived notions about how much he'll play. But he doesn't want to rock the boat now that his NBA opportunity finally has arrived.

``You've got an engine rolling,'' Oberto said. ``You've got to go there and not bother anything, don't break nothing, because this is a champion team.''


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9/27/2005  2:34 PM
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9/27/2005  2:38 PM
forget larry brown, jeff van gundy has a terrible reputation with young players, part of the reason we had no pipeline of youth for the layden years.
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9/27/2005  2:43 PM
I forgot about the spurs signing this guy. I think he will be a nice pickup. Even if he blows, it doesn't really hurt them. It can only help. Good for them. Bleh.

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[Edited by - oohah on 09-27-2005 2:44 PM]
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9/27/2005  2:44 PM
Six years later, he's ready!

Set up, come on now!

Im glad he is getting his shot now, but 6 seasons have passed, in the summer of 1999 we had just come off our finals run and things were different.

The system we had had no patience for anyone.
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9/27/2005  3:49 PM
Oberto should not be in the NBA.
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9/27/2005  4:23 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks:

Oberto should not be in the NBA.


Please elaborate. Is he slow footed? No jumpshot? No jumping ability?
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9/27/2005  5:54 PM
if he could have helped back then he would have been a knick
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9/28/2005  4:07 AM
Who cares? We dont even know if he can handle the NBA yet. That was six years ago, so even if he's ready now, he wasn't then.
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9/28/2005  9:36 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by DarkKnicks:

Oberto should not be in the NBA.


Please elaborate. Is he slow footed? No jumpshot? No jumping ability?
No defense, no jumpshot, not very athletic, not a very good rebounder... I mean, he is ok, but I haven't seen anything very special about him in his 5 years he has been playing in Spain.
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9/28/2005  11:49 AM
JVG at times was a idiot, we had another european kid,I forgot his name that JVG did not like, He was forced to use camby because of the injury to Ewing but had camby riding the pine... I am glad he is in Houston, I can see now he was a big part of the reason why we didn't develop young talent... Friggin little bald head wannabe napolean...
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9/28/2005  11:58 AM
Turkoglu or somthing like that! We used to just call him the Turk.

JVG played to win, and management was not about developing talent. Camby needed to be bought along slowly. Why not credit JVG for getting Camby to play at a higher level than with toronto or his first season here.

Do we forget Marcus was lazy, foul prone, and inconsistant? And fragile as hell both physically and mentally? JVG was not happy about him, but in the end it started working out. And over Camby reverted back to his ways and we tired of his injury and inconsistant ball. He has his moments, but his game is not doable 82 nites a year.

Time makes us fonder of the highlights Marcus gave us.
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9/28/2005  12:25 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Turkoglu or somthing like that! We used to just call him the Turk.

JVG played to win, and management was not about developing talent. Camby needed to be bought along slowly. Why not credit JVG for getting Camby to play at a higher level than with toronto or his first season here.

Do we forget Marcus was lazy, foul prone, and inconsistant? And fragile as hell both physically and mentally? JVG was not happy about him, but in the end it started working out. And over Camby reverted back to his ways and we tired of his injury and inconsistant ball. He has his moments, but his game is not doable 82 nites a year.

Time makes us fonder of the highlights Marcus gave us.



mirsad Turcan was his name... Anyway you may be correct about camby.. good point..
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9/28/2005  12:48 PM
Posted by tkf:

JVG at times was a idiot, we had another european kid,I forgot his name that JVG did not like, He was forced to use camby because of the injury to Ewing but had camby riding the pine... I am glad he is in Houston, I can see now he was a big part of the reason why we didn't develop young talent... Friggin little bald head wannabe napolean...
mirsad turkin, PF


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9/28/2005  12:50 PM
What was so great about mirsad turkin that JVG should have seen?
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9/28/2005  1:19 PM
JVG also never gave Freddy Weis a chance. He was belittling him during the Summer League games. Not saying Freddy would have been good but gotta give the kid a chance.
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9/28/2005  4:44 PM
Posted by tkf:

JVG at times was a idiot, we had another european kid,I forgot his name that JVG did not like, He was forced to use camby because of the injury to Ewing but had camby riding the pine... I am glad he is in Houston, I can see now he was a big part of the reason why we didn't develop young talent... Friggin little bald head wannabe napolean...

Yeah I'm really pissed about that too. The Knicks are now in a better position now because management are looking for those diamonds in the rough and giving guys chances to sucseed.


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9/28/2005  4:56 PM
Posted by Andrew:

What was so great about mirsad turkin that JVG should have seen?


The guy went on to tear up the Euroleague averaging 10 rebs and 18 plus points....guys cant google that if they want. Euroleague is not the NBA but tell that to the Spurs. I saw him play on NBATV last year and I remember him playing well especially inside. He was athletic as far as baseline to baseline.

Turkan did get his chance to play with the Bucks but bolted back to Europe because he was buried behind too much depth.

I don't care about the dude but he could have been something if he got a better chance. The Knicks are more guilty than the Bucks.
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