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diderotn
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9/20/2005  10:11 AM
Does anyone know what this dude is up too? He is one cat that should have the spotlight all over him this upcoming season. He has been around for almost 3 years and will need to prove a lot to our coaching staff. Will he be ready for the challenge??????
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9/20/2005  10:17 AM
he was last seen in the village outside grey papaya
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9/20/2005  10:42 AM
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9/20/2005  10:45 AM
it hasn't been the same for mike ever since mcdonald's did away with the "supersize" option...
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9/20/2005  10:47 AM
I love Sweets and his game. I'm in the minority but I 100% believe he wasnt utilized properly and can be a 18/12/2 55% type player in this league.
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9/20/2005  10:53 AM
sweetney last year could've been 15/10
but the key phrase was "he wasn't utilized properly"

that's why if they move him in a deal for curry, i may have to assassinate isiah at the next q&a.
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9/20/2005  10:58 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

sweetney last year could've been 15/10
but the key phrase was "he wasn't utilized properly"

that's why if they move him in a deal for curry, i may have to assassinate isiah at the next q&a.
What about Curry not being "used properly"?

DJ, honestly, I've seen Sweets up close and personal. He really is 6'6". He also has nice post moves, but no hops and since all the PFs are so much taller than him, he looks like he'll have the most blocked shot in the NBA. Also, seriously... he looks like he's going to have weatherspoon-esque rolls of fat in the back of his neck

not good.

Sweets is good, can be used better, but greatly overrated by this board.
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9/20/2005  11:06 AM
curry was thrown out there from the get go. who is he fighting for the ball with? chandler? othella?

sweets was on IR his first season till midway through.
last year, he was behind kurt and nazr. the offense revolved around the guards and didn't go inside out until late in herb's tenure. sweetney would get post position almost always down the court yet most of the time, the ball wouldn't go to him. he would get doubled teamed at times. he got 19 mins a night, yet still was #2 on the team in FTA's. i could care less if he has a pack of hot dogs on his neck, when he gets the ball, good things happen. when he's guarding guys 20 feet from the basket, he gets in foul trouble. am i overrating him? possibly, but there's nothing i have seen from him to change my mind that the offense can go inside out through him and he can easily drop 15/10 if given the touches.
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9/20/2005  11:17 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by djsunyc:

sweetney last year could've been 15/10
but the key phrase was "he wasn't utilized properly"

that's why if they move him in a deal for curry, i may have to assassinate isiah at the next q&a.
What about Curry not being "used properly"?

DJ, honestly, I've seen Sweets up close and personal. He really is 6'6". He also has nice post moves, but no hops and since all the PFs are so much taller than him, he looks like he'll have the most blocked shot in the NBA. Also, seriously... he looks like he's going to have weatherspoon-esque rolls of fat in the back of his neck

not good.

Sweets is good, can be used better, but greatly overrated by this board.


So basically he is Larry Johnson when he was with us without the ripped physique...Now if he can only be the leader LJ was...



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9/20/2005  11:22 AM


http://www.slamonline.com/links/12202004/index2.html



[Edited by - joec32033 on 09-20-2005 11:22 AM]
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9/20/2005  11:26 AM
I heard he was working out with Curtis Martin over the summer. Hopefully he's in shape.
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9/20/2005  11:34 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

I heard he was working out with Curtis Martin over the summer. Hopefully he's in shape.

i think you misread or misheard the rumor...he was trying to EAT curtis martin over the summer.


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9/20/2005  11:44 AM
Are you all serious? I like Sweetney also, but will he ever be the player that we all want him to be? He is not a demanding type of guy. At his hight, if he doesn't demand the ball, he will never have a chance to be an impact player. Barkley was about the same size as Sweetney, but he was very voccal on and off the court, he commanded recognition. Sweet doesn't have that type of personality...
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9/20/2005  11:46 AM
For the guy who said Sweets is only 6'6", he's actually 6'7.75" in his barefeet, so technically he's really 6'8" in sneakers. He does have a 7'1" Wingspan and an 8'11.5" standing reach.
He plays taller than he is due to this, he has the arms of a 6'10" guy. IF he loses some weitght and gains some more strength, it won't matter what height he is, cuz he'll be a monster. Just remember how tough Barkley was and he was even shorter than Sweets.
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9/20/2005  11:53 AM
how has Mike been in a position to demand anything?

His rookie year he was on IR behind 5 veteran PFs.
His second year he found himself in the starting rotation.
He was an established 3 year CBB player with a clearly defined skill set. Anytime he was given a chance to use that skill set he suceeded.

In GTown, Sweetney was NEVER asked to out and set high screens or chase perimeter players around on help defense. So when he struggles with these things its a knock on him? I dont get it.

He's improved each year, and I once posted in every game he played over 30 minutes in this year he produced big time and was NOT in the constant foul trouble some make him out to be.

How can you judge his personality based on what you have seen with the Knicks? It makes no sense. He's had 3 head coaches in 2 years.

Anytime he's been featured in the post for any stretch of games he's excelled.

He's 6'8 in shoes with a 7'2 wingspan. Please lets get past the size problems and stop making up numbers.
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9/20/2005  12:29 PM
Fish! you and I were amongst the few that wanted Sweet to be a starter, because we realized how valuable he was when he was on the court. However, I still don't know whether or not Sweet has what it takes to be a demanding player in the league. Okafor was a rookie, but he called for the ball when he was in the post. I just for once want to see Sweet establishing himself downlow and pretty much call for the ball instead of chasing mis-shots by others who are not even as accurate as him...
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9/20/2005  12:36 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Fish! you and I were amongst the few that wanted Sweet to be a starter, because we realized how valuable he was when he was on the court. However, I still don't know whether or not Sweet has what it takes to be a demanding player in the league. Okafor was a rookie, but he called for the ball when he was in the post. I just for once want to see Sweet establishing himself downlow and pretty much call for the ball instead of chasing mis-shots by others who are not even as accurate as him...
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9/20/2005  1:07 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Fish! you and I were amongst the few that wanted Sweet to be a starter, because we realized how valuable he was when he was on the court. However, I still don't know whether or not Sweet has what it takes to be a demanding player in the league. Okafor was a rookie, but he called for the ball when he was in the post. I just for once want to see Sweet establishing himself downlow and pretty much call for the ball instead of chasing mis-shots by others who are not even as accurate as him...
its apples and oranges. Okafor was a rookie on a team with nothing but rookies. Who else was going to get the ball? Sweetney had Spoon, KT, KVH, Harrington, Mutumbo as well as veteran perimeter scorers. This has nothing to do with personality. Trust me, if Sweetney was on that Cha team he would be getting 35 minutes a game and doing his own share of demanding


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9/20/2005  2:09 PM
This is why I think Sweets has to start this year no matter what. I'm sick of watching Sweetney call for the ball only for Crawford or Steph to shoot a 3 from 25 feet out. Plus, with Jerome at center for mostly defensive purposes, we really need to start Sweets at PF and make him a main option.
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9/20/2005  2:18 PM
Posted by nixluva:

IF he loses some weitght and gains some more strength, it won't matter what height he is, cuz he'll be a monster. Just remember how tough Barkley was and he was even shorter than Sweets.

Yes, if he loses weight n gains muscle, he'll be better off.

No, not even close, will he be anywhere near the type of player Barkley was. Forget about size and height, HORRIBLE example.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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