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Best Knicks Team To Never Win A Championship?
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LongIslandKnicksFan
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9/19/2005  10:31 AM
What year and players? I'd have to go with the 1994 Knicks that went to the Finals. Ewing, Starks, Oakley, etc. What do you guys think? There might be one that's earlier than that...so give me your year and names.
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9/19/2005  10:45 AM
WOw, thats a stretch! Game 7 team!

Might be the "charles smith dunk it" team.

Would have to also include 1971 and 1972 teams. 1972 lost to the Lakers with Willis hurt and Jerry Lucas up against Wilt. 1971 Earl just F**ked them up good. Clyde could not stop him.

Hence, Trade for the guy!

[Edited by - nalod on 09-19-2005 10:50 AM]

[Edited by - nalod on 09-19-2005 10:51 AM]
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9/19/2005  11:21 AM
interesting question. even though i liked the early 90 teams, i think our best and complete team was the 99 team. they had many weapons and they were deep. their bench could hang with almost any team's starting five that year. we had so many weapons and i believed that if it weren't for the injuries of ewing and lj, we would have won that year.
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9/19/2005  11:37 AM
best team to never win it all? obviously it was last year's squad b/c we did spend over $100 mil on it, no?

'99 team was good - had alot of pieces and looks, but it was a shortened season so we won't know it they would've looked over the long haul, especially with ewing breaking down.

since i started watching them in '87, my point of history is relatively recent, so i would go with the 92-93 team that got beat by the bulls in the ECF in 6 games.
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9/19/2005  11:50 AM
In my lifetime, I would say the '96- '97 team. It had it all and COULD have won it if it weren't for the brawl. Still a sore subject.
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9/19/2005  12:05 PM
The '98-99 squad that saved JVG's career as a Knick (and prevented us from getting Phil in 99-00) was just building up chemistry but injuries up and down their lineup killed the squad--- it seemed like they lost a key player or two during each round of the playoffs. By the time they made it to the finals, half the roster was banged up, some unable to play at all: LJ (knee), Dudley (hyperextended elbow), Camby (back), Ward/Childs (various nagging injuries), Ewing (strained arch)...

The 93-94 group was destined for a championship--- but the injuries to Starks and to a lesser extent, Doc Rivers hurt them bigtime. We got a more than ample replacement for Rivers in Harper, but Starks wasn't healthy in the playoffs. His stamina and explosiveness weren't there.

Now the 96-97 was fully stacked beyond belief. No injuries, 2 deep at every position... then Stern suspended half the team.
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9/19/2005  12:42 PM
I'd say the '92-93 squad was better than the 93-94 team, and while I always like to think the 1997 team could have won, the Bulls were unbelievable then. I think that 1997 team would have given Jordan, Pippen and co. a good run, and could have beaten them, but we would have been heavy underdogs while we were better than the Bulls in 1993. We had won 60 games that year, dominating the league. That team was not as inconsistent as the later Knick teams who used to only show up at important moments.

You could make an argument for the 98-99 squad as well, because of the lockout, and Van Gundy's inability to comprehend the term offense. His treatment of Camby and Spree during the season was horrible, but once Ewing was injured in the 1998 season (another year that we could have won) his game really deteriorated. Ewing's numbers had already been dropping slightly, but when he hurt his wrist, he was never the same. His beautiful jumper was never what it was before the injury. Check his career stats. Because he was so accustomed to being "the man" when Spree, Camby & Allan came, I think Ewing had a hard time adjusting to a role change, as well as JVG.
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9/19/2005  1:04 PM
The 1969 team that lost to the Celtics, who went on to defeat the Lakers 4-3 for the championship, the year before the Knicks won their first championship. As one of the Knicks said at the time (iirc, DeBuscherre): "We lost to a bunch of old men." They thought they were the better team.
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9/19/2005  1:07 PM
Not for nothing, but this clown ripped off that question from me......on RealGM.



Real nice dude...... While you're at it, why don't you atleast give them the link.


http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=416734
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9/19/2005  1:13 PM
deff the 96/97 team when Stern suspended all our players, we had a healthy ewing, a youung houston and a prime LJ... we woulda taken chicago all the way wit that squad, FUCK PJ BROWN!!!
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9/19/2005  1:37 PM
Posted by Elite:

deff the 96/97 team when Stern suspended all our players, we had a healthy ewing, a youung houston and a prime LJ... we woulda taken chicago all the way wit that squad, FUCK PJ BROWN!!!

thats crazy, no way would we have beaten jordan. its just like how everyone gets upset at Charles Smith for not dunking the ball in that playoff game. Although that game wasnt the deciding game, and even if he did dunk it, i doubt we still would have won the series. Jordan always, ALWAYS, stepped it up against us.

93/94 was our best chance. If ewing never hurt his wrist, i would have liked to see what camby and ewing could have done against duncan and drobb in '99.

[Edited by - jaydh on 09-19-2005 1:37 PM]
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9/19/2005  2:49 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Not for nothing, but this clown ripped off that question from me......on RealGM.



Real nice dude...... While you're at it, why don't you atleast give them the link.


http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=416734

Actually I got the idea from Myspace.com on one of the Myspace.com Groups. The question was: "The Best Team To Never Win A Championship" and here is the link to prove it. Wow, makes you wonder where the same question is being asked, heh. I rarely ever go to the RealGM Boards. Last time I was there was maybe two - three weeks ago.

Link: http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=5561408&adTopicID=31&categoryID=0&IsSticky=0&groupID=100221312&Mytoken=0F2D6000-B9B7-4EDF-B8B496BE1CA84EEA353264421


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9/19/2005  2:51 PM
Posted by Elite:

deff the 96/97 team when Stern suspended all our players, we had a healthy ewing, a youung houston and a prime LJ... we woulda taken chicago all the way wit that squad, FUCK PJ BROWN!!!


wow FUCK didn't get edited

anyway I would have to agree.

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9/19/2005  3:08 PM
1) The 92-93 team, that team was better than the Bulls and the Bulls knew it too. MJ talks alot about that team and that series. They all do. No doubt in my mind that team would beat the Suns.
2) The 93-94 team should be champions except that the same thing you used to like about Starks you have to hate him for it too.
3) 96-97 We waz robbed!! Stern has a special place in the black pit for that one.

I actually agree with Phil Jackson, and Dolan on this one, that 99 team was weak. It said more about how weak the East was becoming rather than the strength of that team which barely made the playoffs. You won't find a better setup for a playoff team. And it still took miracle shots for them to advance. (Houston's and LJ's). Personally I think the 91-92 team could easily beat the 99 team.
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9/19/2005  3:28 PM
99 team was fatally flawed.

We had Miami's number and made Indy cry big time!


We had no answer for Duncan. Perhaps with Ewing in his prime we could have done it, but the variable of Camby vs. Oak also must be present.

The 92-93 team was better than bulls, and it was cruel we could not advance.

But that's howit works. Time has a way to glorify those teams, but they were flawed in many ways
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9/19/2005  3:54 PM
The 99 team was the deepest team we ever had, and big time we got a nice break in Miami, and blew Atlanta away, lets not forget that the Pacers stole game one on two bull**** plays down the stretch a Ewing foul and a no call on a charge against Camby in the Final minute.....

The San Antonio Series would have been much different, the Spurs got a miracle shot for Jarren Jackson to put away the first game and game 5 was just in our grasp and slipped away. This with Larry Johnson not being able to move, childs injured and with no Ewing, that series goes 7 if we are healthy

96-97 we had three players averaging 20 Ewing, Houston, LJ i think we would have beaten the Bulls, 92-93 its a same that series would have went 7 if smith had any balls, and who know what would have happened, the suns would have had no answer for Ewing and Oak would have played barkley tough
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9/19/2005  4:08 PM
Posted by Nalod:

WOw, thats a stretch! Game 7 team!

Might be the "charles smith dunk it" team.

Would have to also include 1971 and 1972 teams. 1972 lost to the Lakers with Willis hurt and Jerry Lucas up against Wilt. 1971 Earl just F**ked them up good. Clyde could not stop him.

Hence, Trade for the guy!

[Edited by - nalod on 09-19-2005 10:50 AM]

[Edited by - nalod on 09-19-2005 10:51 AM]
You go back a lot more years than I do. That's probably why you have so much wisdom. I wasn't born 'til 79. I'd probably list the team that lost to the Rockets in the finals where Starks had the game-winning shot of game 6 blocked and shot 2 for 17 (or something like that) in game 7. There were many other close years with big Patrick too, though. Those were the good old days; we just didn't appreciate it at the time as much as we should have.




[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09-19-2005 4:08 PM]
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