Posted by tkf:

excellent post nalod, and the point is the Jihad is real, the problem is that people don't want to admit that we would have to face it now or in the near future because it would look like they are being fair and giving bush any sort of credit..

Posted by Nalod:

The hatred goes back 50 some years ago when we competed with the Soviet Union. we had to keep them from securing oil resurves and the ever so popular warm water port.

We wined and the dined the likes of the Shah or Iran, who to control his many tribes was ruthless in his techniques. We funded him, and our beloved Sadam for years and they turned on the civilians, keeping them down, and forging hatred which we deserved. The poor, and ignorant look to the mulah's for guidence. No the sharpest crayons themeselve, they do what all fundamental nut jobs do when hope is lost, they turn to violence. This is the simple version, but we are paying a price that helped win the cold war.

We are a country of isolationists, but this time they are coming over and setting up cells, and big time funding.

I bush did what ever he could to get us involved, and used the emotions of 9/11 to fuel it. Kinda like when we placed an embargo on japan in 1941, but japan in turn saw the lack of fuel and steel supplies as a threat so they bombed pearl harbor thinking this would at least delay an embargo. So we in frenzy of public support, we declared war on Them, and Germany. WTF did Germany have to do with pearl harbor? Nothing, but we wanted blood and entered the european campaign FINALLY with some backing of the hesitant american public. We were almost too late! Oh, and we wanted the russians out. We loved that Germany invaded Russia! And we let Russia almost go down! Left to a pulp, we could have easily dealt with them later! They bounced back quick as they paid a hell of a price (20 mil estimated) to keep it together. Slave labor and some good natural resources helps! Phuchers! Anyway, my point is we play lots of games over history, but we as American prefer to not preempt any hostility until it concerns us. And perhaps we needed to do this.

I see it as bad reasons to do whats right?

But dammit to hell, I really can't imagine sending my 14 year old. I know that sounds selfish. Not while we are driving SUVs and trying to maintain "NORMALCY". That **** really gets me. For some families the sacrifice is as great as anywar, but we got employee pricing to sell oversized pieces of sh!t to maintain profits! We are run by elite SOB's who rarely ever did any service time! The democrats are full of vets of some sort.

Im conflicted by many things, and while there are components that I can understand and agree, I am sad and confused by the lack of commitment. We are fighting for the amercian way of life, but that is becoming over consumption of material goods and services. I can't support that with my boy. I would give every bit of anything I own and my own life for his.

Again, I am conflicted over much.

Posted by BRIGGS:

The US isnt made out of money, and this so-called war could go on for decades. WW2 consisted of EVERY single superpower and it lasted a little more than 5 years. we are chasing guys driving around in 1986 honda's filled with TNT in a country of 35mm people--you CANNOT win that type of war--what we CAN do is help establish an Iraqi army--give them all the military equipment they need and let US special forces work with Israel to come up with new war planning for them. Israel needs to be the brains here, even if it's behind the scenes because they are much more skille d in this type of warfare.

We NEED an exit date--we need a 6 month exit date--that puts the war at almost 4 years--MORE than enough time to train a new army, equip it and let them go to work.

Every time we --as in US spews a bomb that kills ANYONE over there--10,000 more suicidal bombers are ready for action and when they go down, they have 20,00 more teenagers waiting to take their turn. These people DO NOT care if they die--you CANNOT beat that--we have to LEAVE so they can figure it out themselves. We can be behind the scenes, but civil war is inevitable there.


Biggest threat to US is China no IFS ANDS or BUTS. They own trillions of dollars in T-Bills, they are growing at enormous rates, CHina WILL be the NEXT superpower--that is going to happen-we do not have the capabilities any more to stop it because we have just collapsed in the last 10 years.

We need to be smart--to regroup-re-strategize and let's see if we can work with some countries to quell all of this war mongering. Are we going to sopend 5 trillion dollars fcking with Iran and NK--so that when they are primed China sens 5 mm soldiers over to US soil so they can capture US and Canadian land because their's is over-populated, polluted and void of many features of North America. Chinese MF is worse than some stupid towel head. Lok at history, they will throw 2 year olds in microwaves to dispose of them--they are COMMUNISTS they DO NOT give a fck.

We need to leave the ME fcks alone--let them fight amongst themselves--there is NO way any terrorist has the capability of doing more damage than Katrina-and if they did execute in a biological weapon somehow--we werent going to stop them anyway.

INCREASE NATIONAL GUARD in EACH STATE
INCREASE BORDER PATROL
MAKE TRAVEL ON FOREIGNERS NIGHTMARES IN TERMS OF IDing THEM
STOP STOP SPENDING DUMB MONEY
DEVELOP WEAPONS OF THAT ARE DESIGNED TO HIT WITH SPEED
DEVELOP SATELITE WEAPONS
DEVELOP LAZER-BASED WEAPONS
NAVY AND COAST GUARD MORPHED INTO 1
MARINES AND ARMY MORPHED INTO 1
AIR FORCE AND NASA MORPHED INTO 1
MASSIVE CHANGE AT PENTAGON NEEDED-NEED PENTAGON TO BE LEAD BY HIGH IQ TECHNOLOGICAL PERSONELL AND ELECTED MILITARY OFFICERS-
ESTABLISH A HIGHER VALUE COMMUNICATIONS AND INTELLIGENCE SYSTEMS-WE WANT THE BEST HACKERS IN THE WORLD AT THE PENTAGON SO WE KNOW WTF EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING AT ALL TIMES
USE LESS # IN TERMS OF MILITARY PERSONELL AND CONCENTRATE ON MAKING 1 SOLDIER AS GOOD AS 20
ALL OTHER FOCUS WILL BE USED IN STOPPING THE BLEEDING HERE-STOP RELYING SO HEAVILY ON CHINA FOR MANUFACTURING AND THE ME FOR ENERGY SOURCES AND START DOING IT OURSLEVES
MORALS HAVE FELL SO LOW--LETS CREATE CONDITIONS FOR HIGHER CHARACTER AND AWARENESS IN OUR OWN PEOPLE
MORE EMPHASIS ON SCHOOL--GO TO SCHOOL ON SAT AND ONLY 6 WEEKS OFF IN THE SUMMER, MANDATE IT EVERYHWRE--THIS WILL GIVE MINORITIES MORE CHANCES AT INCREASING THEIR OWN EDUCATIONS AT THE LOWER LEVELS--MORE SCHOOL TIME WHERE THERE IS MANDATORY HOMEWORK SESSIONS AND SCHOOL TO 4:30 AND HALF DAYS SAT

I COULD KEEP GOING BUT THE MESSAGE IS INVEST IN THE USA, DEVELOP A SMARTER MILITARY FOR THE 21 CENTURY, TRY TO RE-ESTABLISH RELATIONS, BE VIGILANT AGAINST POSSIBLE TERORIST ATTACKS BUT DONT OBSSESS OVER IT WHERE WE SPEND SO MUCH $$ SO POORLY.

good but scary post Briggs, that is why good leadership is needed and the end of bush's term can't come quick enough... the only thing about china I don't agree with you is their williness to invade a country like ours... They have their hands full with worrying about N Korea (I think).. now that is a small armpit country that worries me...

Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

MORE EMPHASIS ON SCHOOL--GO TO SCHOOL ON SAT AND ONLY 6 WEEKS OFF IN THE SUMMER, MANDATE IT EVERYHWRE--THIS WILL GIVE MINORITIES MORE CHANCES AT INCREASING THEIR OWN EDUCATIONS AT THE LOWER LEVELS--MORE SCHOOL TIME WHERE THERE IS MANDATORY HOMEWORK SESSIONS AND SCHOOL TO 4:30 AND HALF DAYS SAT

Briggs, where the hell did you get this madness?

Did you write this?