Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

...and to think they were actually talking about retiring Allan Houston's nunber!

No Allanfan20 is talking about that.....no way does Allan deserve to have his number retired. I will stage a protest against it if they even consider it!

Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

...and to think they were actually talking about retiring Allan Houston's nunber!

Starks and Oak definitely should be considered first and foremost.
Starks' number would already be in the rafters had he not gane 2-18 in game 7 of the '94 Finals...

Hopefully, now we will have some players this year that left it all out on the floor like they did.

Posted by Nalod:

Funny, allan does not get the respect to get retired? HE was on this team for 9 years!

but then you say

If anynumber he gets retired with it should be number "100"! As in how many million he got paid on the last contract! That figure/symbol I think does more to harm his rep than anything.

Houston gets no love from me....I'm serious as a heart attack.....I will protest the Knicks if they consider it!!!! I will definately give up being a Knick fan.

Houston did not leave it out on the floor. He was a Knick 9 years? When he first got here Starks used to take his minutes in the fourth and Houston was a pure panty waste. Then 1999 playoff came and his scoring went way up along with Spree's be cause that's what they had. After that Houston the bitch came right back. Layden shakled his punk ass to the largest contract ever given to a guard!!!! Houston still is the highest paid shooting guard in the league. He is making Garnett money!!!

Fuck Allan Houston!!!!



[Edited by - enyspree on 09-13-2005 12:27 PM]

Posted by Nalod:

Are we just a bit jaded cuz you were a Spree fan? And if you loved spree's primal magnatisim, you likely hated Allans fundamental grace!

Fuck Spree too.....I would have changed my name a while back but I've been using it so long. I used to go by SpreeH20!!! I used the H20 because I thought in 1999 that Houston finally found his balls.....I was wrong so I dumped it. Like I said Spree would be dumped too if I wasn't using it so long.

Why was Sean Elliots number retired? He had a few good years and hit a big shot towards the end of his career........Sean Elliot was adored by the fans and he defined what a San Antonio Spur was. Yes it's a fan thing......number should be retired because of what players mean to the franchise and fans.

Houston has a beautiful jumpshot.......aside from that what has he done that shows he is worthy of my respect? He can't honestly say that he gave his all throughout his career here. If his jumper is off.....he is nothing.

Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

All Allan Houston had was a smooth jumper. What else did he really do? All his job was to jump shoot. That was his one dimension. I used the past tense because with that arthritiic knees, in addition to age, that jumper will never be the same.

Players like Oak (and Starks) may not have had the Allan jumpshot, but that hustle won us alot of games. While he wasn't the most talented, no one could say that he ever gave less than 110% night in, night out. Opposing teams had to cover these players in different areas. If someone shuts down Allan's jumper, he wouldn't give you anything else.

Other players (like Spree, Nalod ) were versatile enough to make contributions in other ways to help us win. Oak and Starks did the same.

Put Allan's number in the rafters when he expands his game, but at this stage, I seriously doubt that'll happen.

Better yet, like Nalod said, hang the number 100 up for his contract.

Lastly, if the # of years played counts, didn't Oak play here 9 years?

...and what about this?

"Closed the 1997-98 season ranked 2nd in Knicks' franchise history in steals (844), 3rd in rebounds (7,291) and minutes (23,959) and 6th in games (727)"

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/charles_oakley/index.html

I could go with Oak getting his number based on your logic and stats. good points.

Starks has some great highlights but I kind of lump him together with Mase whom also had some steller moments. While the 2 for 18 game remains a dark dark day, I recall too many ill timed technicals and bone head turnovers. Oak was a pilar and cornerstone of the franchise perhaps even more than Ewing.

for the record, spree broke my heart! I sided with him for the chock act, and loved his game! But the selfish antics just piled up. Its old news, and old subject! Im of the nature that a 12-14 million dollar salary paid by revenue from fans deserves a bit of respect to them. Of all the things he did, I thought the tirade against Dolan for what ever reason was very disrespect and offensive to those whom supported him thru thick and thin!

And dolan for all his evilness creating the downturn I think has shown great support toward Isiah and enabling him to redue the team and pay a record amount to a coach. Thats commitment! For all of Isiahs moves, he can't do any of it without the support of his owner. So lets give little jimmy some props and hope we can one day see them pouring champagne on each other while hoisting up the Obrien trophy!