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djsunyc
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8/23/2005  6:41 PM
make it # 5 - orien, bynum, west, banks, and now dickau

Dickau Coming To Boston
23rd August, 2005 - 9:19 am

Boston Globe - Celtics executive director of basketball operations Danny Ainge confirmed last night that the team has agreed in principle to a sign-and-trade deal with New Orleans that would land point guard Dan Dickau in Boston with a three-year contract worth an average of $2.5 million per year.

Ainge said some details of the deal still must be negotiated, including what the Celtics will give to the Hornets. New Orleans will receive a trade exception in the process.

Dickau, who is 6 feet, 190 pounds, visited Boston yesterday for a physical and chatted with members of the Celtics staff.

''He had a really great day," said Dickau's agent, Mark Bartelstein. [READ]
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djsunyc
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8/23/2005  6:42 PM
if i'm ainge, it's time to move pierce - maybe for childress.

pierce is going to be a ticking time bomb in beantown...
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8/23/2005  8:24 PM
Scott Layden was one of the better GMS in the league. His role in Utah is much different than in NY--we have NO idea what madate the guy was under in NY--Im sure the mandate was to make the playoffs and he didnt have the personality to say otherwise and tried to go with gus who got him there before. Problem is they were just role players around Malone and Stockton. IF Mcdyess knee did not blow up, Isiah Thomas would not be here. If Channing frye turns into Karl Malone, when Nate Robinson turns into John Stockton, when Q Rick plays like Jeff Hornaceck, when Trevor Ariza plays like Andrei Kirilenko, let me know. Otherwise, Layden ;s body of work as a player personell director for the Jazz trumps a lot of guys. His personality, his demeanor-its not for NY, Isiah definitely is. isiah deserves time here, but these fantasies of comparing Isiah --yes to Scott Layden dont go to far.
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djsunyc
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8/23/2005  8:36 PM
layden's time here were pretty bad. to make moves like he did in utah to the moves he did in ny was like night and day. or in this case, day and night.

the dice deal completely blew up in his face. but if you give him a pass for that, is there really anything worthwhile that he did? seriously, what one draft pick or signing did he do until 4 years after the fact and took frank and then sweets - two VERY safe picks.

let's not compare layden from utah to isiah here. if that's the case, then layden from utah is better than west from memphis too.
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8/23/2005  8:39 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Scott Layden was one of the better GMS in the league. His role in Utah is much different than in NY--we have NO idea what madate the guy was under in NY--Im sure the mandate was to make the playoffs and he didnt have the personality to say otherwise and tried to go with gus who got him there before. Problem is they were just role players around Malone and Stockton. IF Mcdyess knee did not blow up, Isiah Thomas would not be here. If Channing frye turns into Karl Malone, when Nate Robinson turns into John Stockton, when Q Rick plays like Jeff Hornaceck, when Trevor Ariza plays like Andrei Kirilenko, let me know. Otherwise, Layden ;s body of work as a player personell director for the Jazz trumps a lot of guys. His personality, his demeanor-its not for NY, Isiah definitely is. isiah deserves time here, but these fantasies of comparing Isiah --yes to Scott Layden dont go to far.
layden's drafts here were terrible

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8/23/2005  8:40 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Scott Layden was one of the better GMS in the league. His role in Utah is much different than in NY--we have NO idea what madate the guy was under in NY--Im sure the mandate was to make the playoffs and he didnt have the personality to say otherwise and tried to go with gus who got him there before. Problem is they were just role players around Malone and Stockton. IF Mcdyess knee did not blow up, Isiah Thomas would not be here. If Channing frye turns into Karl Malone, when Nate Robinson turns into John Stockton, when Q Rick plays like Jeff Hornaceck, when Trevor Ariza plays like Andrei Kirilenko, let me know. Otherwise, Layden ;s body of work as a player personell director for the Jazz trumps a lot of guys. His personality, his demeanor-its not for NY, Isiah definitely is. isiah deserves time here, but these fantasies of comparing Isiah --yes to Scott Layden dont go to far.

Briggs, I think its fair to say that Layden was one of the better talent evaluators. he ran a good draft, but had help from Frank Layden on that end in Utah. But as a GM, he was pretty bad. You leave out the fact that Utah never could get a third piece to get StocktonMalone over the hump. He did a horrible job in New York. The Houston trade and even the Ewing move may have been beyond his power, but even then, the Shandon/Eisley contracts are inexplicable. The Weatherspoon signing was criminal. I screamed when I saw that. The Spree handling was poor. The Dyess trade had disaster written all over it from day one. How would this team look with Camby and Nene or Camby and Amare?

Perhaps most damning, Layden never used his one strength, the draft, while in New York. If Layden gets a cop-out that he was "under a mandate" to make the playoffs, why doesn't Zeke get the same slack? He's at least convinced Dolan about the need to add young talent through the draft.



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8/24/2005  12:37 AM
Layden was a good scout but way in over his head as a GM, I don't know who exactly Layden drafted when he was GM in utah, I don't know if he was completely responsible for malone and stockton, but since I don't know for sure, I will leave that alone.

I do know what he did here in NY and crzymdups did a good job detailing that mess layden did while he was here.

Again, this job was not for layden, I think he at best is a good scout, let him stay out of the spotlight and keep him away from the telephones and tear up his book of other GM's numbers and he will be fine..
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8/24/2005  1:23 AM
Posted by tkf:

Layden was a good scout but way in over his head as a GM, I don't know who exactly Layden drafted when he was GM in utah, I don't know if he was completely responsible for malone and stockton, but since I don't know for sure, I will leave that alone.

I do know what he did here in NY and crzymdups did a good job detailing that mess layden did while he was here.

Again, this job was not for layden, I think he at best is a good scout, let him stay out of the spotlight and keep him away from the telephones and tear up his book of other GM's numbers and he will be fine..


the direction zeke is going in is good. i think layden was a guy who should be working in Utah, hes not for NY, while Zeke is made for it. IF Mcydess's knee didnt shatter, Layden would still be here. That was the defining moment--he took the risk reward play and it came up snake eyes. But for that brief moment, we saw what Mcdyess could do, even a guy who was dead set on picking amare was mesmorized by that exhibition game where mcdyess looked like he would average 25 and 12 in the east and we would be players, and then his kne popped th next game. and that was the end of laydumb.

But before we can sing the praises of isiah, we need results in the W-L--there are some people who believe we shouldve gone in a different direction at 8--im one of them, but i also like frye. But isiah has to live with frye, and frye better produce NOW.
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OT - layden is to PF as ainge is to.......PG

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