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djsunyc
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8/21/2005  8:09 PM
swiped from a post on realgm:

Transaction by Transation
Trades, Contract Extensions and Free agent Signings

1. Traded Moochie Norris for Clarence Weatherspoon

Weatherspoon-17.7 million remaining on contract (including ’04)
Norris-11.7 million on 3 year contract (including ’04, excluding ’07 option)
Amaechi-5.7 million on 2 year contract (including ’04)

Net salary loss of $300,000

2.Traded Eisley, Ward, Lampe, McDyess, Vujanic’s rights, and two first rounders for Marbury, Hardaway and Trybanski

Charlie Ward-6 million left on contract year
Howard Eisley-12 million left on 2 year contract
McDyess-13.5 million left on contract year
Lampe-2.7 million left on 3 year contract

Traded total of 34.2 million

Marbury-104.7 million left on 6 year contract
Penny-43.9 million on 3 year contract
Cezary-1.6 million on one year contract

Acquired 150.2 million

Net salary gain of $116 million

3. Traded KVH, Doleac and a 2nd rounder for TT and Doleac

KVH-41.5 million left on 3 years
Doleac-3 million left on contract year

Total traded-44.5 million

TT-38.7 million left on 3 years
Nazr-15.7 million left on 3 years

Total acquired-54.4 million

Net salary gain of 9.9 million


4. Extended Kurt Thomas for 3 years, 22.1 million
5. Signed Vin Baker for 2 years, 7.4 million


6. Traded Frank Williams, Othella Harrington, Dikembe Mutombo and Cezary Trybanski for Jamal Crawford and Jerome Williams

Frank Williams-1 million left on contract year
Othella Harrington-3.2 million left on contract year
Cezary Trybanski-1.6 million left on contract year
Dikembe Mutombo-4.5 million left on contract year

Total traded: 10.3 million

Jamal Crawford-55.4 million on 7 years
Jerome Williams-12.3 million on 2 years

Total Acquired: 67.7 million

Net gain of 57.4 million acquired

7. Traded Vin Baker, Moochie Norris, and a second round pick for Mo Taylor

Baker-7.4 million left on 2 years
Norris-8 million left on 2 years

Total Traded: 15.4 million

Taylor-3 years, 27.4 million

Net gain of 12 million

8. Traded Nazr Mohammed for Malik Rose and two first round picks

Mohammed-10.1 million left on 2 years

Rose-25.2 million left on 4 years

Net gain of 15.1 million

9. Traded KT for Q-Rich

KT-3 years, 22.1 million left

Q-Rich-37.6 million left on 5 years

Net gain of 15.5 million



10. Signed Jerome James for 5 years, 29 million

TOTAL Trade Total: Net $234.9 million acquired
Draft picks: Two 1st rounders acquired-2traded=even
Two 2nd round picks traded

Players signed with financial significance: Jerome James and Vin Baker

Players extended: Kurt Thomas


are those #'s accurate? i'm not 100% sure but it's close enough i guess.
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Marv
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8/21/2005  8:14 PM
Oh c'mon dj. Like you haven't spent $235 million yourself on a big weekend.
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8/21/2005  8:19 PM
Posted by Marv:

Oh c'mon dj. Like you haven't spent $235 million yourself on a big weekend.


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djsunyc
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8/21/2005  8:19 PM
Posted by Marv:

Oh c'mon dj. Like you haven't spent $235 million yourself on a big weekend.

haha. let me tell you something, i went out saturday night, didn't get home till 6am. first time i did that in a long long long time. and i remember why. i'm too old for living it up like p diddy.

back to the topic at hand - that's a whole lotta money.
it's pretty sick actually. hey, for all the times we diss dolan, he does spend money. it just hasn't been spent wisely. in many ways, he's like a better version of george in the 80's. george was and will always be a d ck, but he spends money. he spent it unwisely in the 80's and was always meddlesome. dolan spends the money now, and for the most part, it has been used unwisely and for the most part, he doesn't get involved in the day to day operations of the business. so hopefully, it will turn around now like it did for george in the early 90's. one thing tho, the yankees started winning when they spent $$$'s COMBINED with cultivating their own talent. so i hope that's the plan here also.
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8/21/2005  8:21 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Marv:

Oh c'mon dj. Like you haven't spent $235 million yourself on a big weekend.

haha. let me tell you something, i went out saturday night, didn't get home till 6am. first time i did that in a long long long time. and i remember why. i'm too old for living it up like p diddy.

back to the topic at hand - that's a whole lotta money.
it's pretty sick actually. hey, for all the times we diss dolan, he does spend money. it just hasn't been spent wisely. in many ways, he's like a better version of george in the 80's. george was and will always be a d ck, but he spends money. he spent it unwisely in the 80's and was always meddlesome. dolan spends the money now, and for the most part, it has been used unwisely and for the most part, he doesn't get involved in the day to day operations of the business. so hopefully, it will turn around now like it did for george in the early 90's. one thing tho, the yankees started winning when they spent $$$'s COMBINED with cultivating their own talent. so i hope that's the plan here also.


perfectly said DJ!
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8/21/2005  8:57 PM
can we get the total number of years?
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8/21/2005  9:27 PM
umm on the trade for TT you wrote they traded Doleac for Doleac not Nazr fyi
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8/21/2005  9:55 PM
In terms of pure dollars, the Marbury trade was the worst, by far.

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8/21/2005  10:07 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm too old for living it up like p diddy.
He announced that we can call him just Diddy now. It was such a relief.
"I felt like the 'P' was getting between me and my fans and now we're closer," Diddy said.
http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IE420050821114401&Title=Features+-+People+%26+Lifestyle&Topic=0
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djsunyc
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8/21/2005  10:09 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm too old for living it up like p diddy.
He announced that we can call him just Diddy now. It was such a relief.
"I felt like the 'P' was getting between me and my fans and now we're closer," Diddy said.
http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IE420050821114401&Title=Features+-+People+%26+Lifestyle&Topic=0

this just in...diddy is now officially going by the name did.

"i felt like the 'dy' was getting between me and my fans and now we're closer," Did said.


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8/21/2005  10:11 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm too old for living it up like p diddy.
He announced that we can call him just Diddy now. It was such a relief.
"I felt like the 'P' was getting between me and my fans and now we're closer," Diddy said.
http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IE420050821114401&Title=Features+-+People+%26+Lifestyle&Topic=0

this just in...diddy is now officially going by the name did.

"i felt like the 'dy' was getting between me and my fans and now we're closer," Did said.
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
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8/21/2005  10:17 PM
But one question?

What you gonna do when Trybanski starts tearing it up!

Another great player traded!

Czary!
djsunyc
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8/21/2005  10:19 PM
Posted by Nalod:

But one question?

What you gonna do when Trybanski starts tearing it up!

Another great player traded!

Czary!

word up.

i heard he was dropping something like 17/10/4 at the chelsea piers summer urban professionals co-ed league.

i wish he would get his shot - he's just a misunderstood soul.
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8/21/2005  11:51 PM
I don't get the significance of this info. What does it matter really. The only thing that matters is that we get this team to start winning. If that doesn't start to happen this year, then I can see making a big deal about all the money. Right now I don't really care how much money has been spent. I view it as necessary penalty for getting this team in the mess it was in when he got here.

What matters now is that in 2 years, his draft picks were Ariza, Frye, N8 & Lee and I like all 4 picks. Steph, JC & Q are the pick ups I like the most out of all the deals he made. TT & Penny are now irrelevant and soon to be gone. Hopefully he can turn them into someone good. If not, big deal, we lose their salary and still win. LB and the players above isn't bad for just under 2 years. Especially when EVERYONE thought nothing could be done to change the roster when he took over.

Zeke is alright in my book.
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8/21/2005  11:53 PM
that's all it is, info. but i still think it's pertinent info that can be used in developing a view on isiah's job so far - whether you're pro isiah or not.
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8/21/2005  11:59 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

that's all it is, info. but i still think it's pertinent info that can be used in developing a view on isiah's job so far - whether you're pro isiah or not.

Perhaps, but i'm not so sure its a negative thing. As i said. NOBODY expected him to be able to do anything and he actually shocked everyone with the moves he was able to make. Now to do this he had to get reamed financially. Its the only thing we have left. We didn't have anything anyone wanted. So our owner has deep pockets and he OK'd Zeke to use the money.
I guess I have this positive attitude, cuz I took the down years really hard. I hated how things went down just before Zeke came on board. The whole McDyess mess. Even tho Camby was hurt a lot, I loved that guy. Spree was another big mistake. I had lost all hope. Now i at least feel like we have someone who hates to lose as much as I do. Zeke won't just stand there and let the team suck. So if he makes a lot of moves so be it. Get the clowns out of here and bring in someone who can play.
So far I like where we're going.


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8/22/2005  1:59 AM
Posted by Rich:

In terms of pure dollars, the Marbury trade was the worst, by far.
Isiah spent 50% as much to get Crawford, who's not one-tenth the player Marbury is.


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8/22/2005  7:55 AM
The salary listing is helpful just to see how much was taken in to acomplish that 33 win team last year!

With that behind us, and what appears to be an even more youthful roster it can be hoped that we let some expiring deals exprire and get this thing reasonable.

We don't need to bring in anymore big salary, just let these kids develope into the next big thing.
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8/22/2005  8:17 AM
Posted by Nalod:

The salary listing is helpful just to see how much was taken in to acomplish that 33 win team last year!

With that behind us, and what appears to be an even more youthful roster it can be hoped that we let some expiring deals exprire and get this thing reasonable.

We don't need to bring in anymore big salary, just let these kids develope into the next big thing.

We're so dang impatient that its ridiculous. Think about it. We gave him half a season and a 2nd rd pick to undo all the crap of the Layden era. So when things didn't workout last year, its not like this team was a lock to be good last year
I can't really hold his feet to the fire for a team that wasn't going to be that strong unless everything went right, which it didn't.

At the start of the year everyone in the Knicks organization said that H2O would be key to them having a good year. Add to that the personal disaster in TT's life and his not being with it most of the year. Penny never really being a factor as well. Baker being a bust and you start to get the picture. Then you had Sweets & JC getting minor injuries at the wrong time. Lets face it that was a mess. However I still think he's gotten some very good talent, it just hasn't come together and that can happen to any team, just ask Minnesota. Last year was the 1st full season, so its not like this has been some long drawn out history of failure.
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8/22/2005  8:18 AM
the relevence is it has not translated into wins or better play, and thats important. If we were just adding young guys and "getting ready" its a different story. The bottom line is ISiah ADDED over $200mm in players and it resulted in 33 wins. Thats horrible, plain and simple. If he worked any normal business he would be out the door, but for whatever reason in the NBA you can get by for years on hope and faith.

I see two ways of looking at this:
Half full: ISiah has "bought" a lot of talent and now its ready to be put together. He's gotten younger more talented players and its all up from here

Half empty:Isiah's spent an ass ton of cash, made poor choices and is praying to god that Larry Brown can bail him out.

Personally I'm in the middle... I think he's overpaid, made some bad moves and the bad contracts are going to hurt him more than they already are. I do like the drafted players and the improved skill level of the roster. But then again I am a Knick fan
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