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BRIGGS
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8/18/2005  2:02 PM
why do we need another player liek that? we have Q Craw Thomas, we need ANOTHER 3 pt chucker who is just an average athlete? WHY? i said it from the first time i read about it, he makes 0 SENSE, no fit. Thats why I put Wallace name out there, it might cost a little more, but he brings intangibles that help you WIN--hes bigger physically than Ariza, but both have similar type styles. Id rather have two guys on the same team like that--then another Q rich clone--doesnt it make any sense? do they even get it--we DO NOT NEED ANOTHER CHUCHKER who is only average defensively--maybe Pheonix might want him---not much difference between Q and Jones in terms of 3 pt shooting, but the point is we have the same thing * 3-4
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8/18/2005  2:05 PM
What was his 3ball %?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/18/2005  2:08 PM
around 40% which is very good
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8/18/2005  2:08 PM
Briggs, you realize he's a very low cost option (maybe the LLE). We're not offering him a max contract here. He has some nice skills that are worth looking into for the league min or the LLE
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8/18/2005  2:09 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

around 40% which is very good


Then why is this even a thread?

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/18/2005  2:14 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by gunsnewing:

around 40% which is very good


Then why is this even a thread?

why is this a thread? because we dont need another 3 pt shooter, we dont need a player who takes 55% of his shots from 3--we have way to much of it, we dont need it for 2mm a year 3mm a year, nothing--we need guys who can play defense rebound move hustle, play with effeciency--i can see Pheonix being interested in Jones because they lost three pt shooting--but look at the Knicks--we have guys who are LEAD leaguers in hoisting 3s why do we need more?


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8/18/2005  2:14 PM
a) you ever think that he shot a lot of 3's b/c that's the way Indi employed him (much in the same way the Suns used Q)??? Why is that necessarily an indictment of the player as opposed to the player just following instructions?? Why do people automatically assume that the players are making these shot selections in a vacuum? Just look at Q pre-Suns.

b) What makes you think he's average defensively?

c) How many gloom and doom posts can one guy write? Geez...fly out to LA and root your brains out for Andrew Bynum for all 2-4 minutes that he plays in each night.
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8/18/2005  2:18 PM
we're bring in Jones for the LLE. He's not even gonna play until the glut is cleared at SF and it wil be once T & Penny are gone. Jones has shown a lot more promise than Ariza. This goes back to me having no problems with the Knicks drafting a SF like Granger or Graham over a 7ft stiff. We could use a guy who can shoot and play D at the 3

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-18-2005 2:18 PM]
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8/18/2005  2:19 PM
As a team if you're effect enough in the post you can never have enough 3 point shooters.
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8/18/2005  2:21 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

As a team if you're effect enough in the post you can never have enough 3 point shooters.
exactly; that should really help Sweetney, Frye, and James.
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8/18/2005  2:23 PM
Briggs i hear you, but i think JJ's role as a three point specialist was exaggerated by the way he was used in Indy. we wouldn't bring him in to be a shooter, it would be because he seems to be a complete, versatile player who defends and can finish from our guards. LB's job this year will be to get guys to stop chucking threes- get crawford to pass or take it to the hole, get Q to post up, bench TT, so on. JJ is young and talented enough that, at $1-2 mil per, he'd be a great trade chip or throw in, so i'd be happy bringing him in.
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8/18/2005  2:24 PM
Anytime a player shoots 40 % from 3's, he's welcome aboard as far as I'm concerned.

The one thing we're lacking in the backcourt is a real 3-point threat.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/18/2005  2:26 PM
its a good thread. Ive been talking about style of play for a couple years, you would have thought a guy with Isiah's experience would see this but some are slower than others.

We have enough scoring and we have enough chuckers. We need guy thats can defend on the wings. Long athletic versatile guys that can defend multiple positions, not short or washed up guys like Watson or Snow. Guys like Miles, Posey, Ariza (I hope), Prince, Battier, Patterson, Bowen, Kirilenko, Marion, Artest. Some are better than others obviously. With the new rules these guys are NOT a dime a dozen as someone said. They are premier role player or more.
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8/18/2005  2:32 PM
you can't call james jones a scorer or chucker, can you? don't criticize a guy for doing what he was asked to do by his team. he's long and athletic, and supposedly can play the 2 3 or 4 and is a good defender. if we brought him in, i don't think he'd demand the ball like steph or craw or TT, more of an ariza or malik rose role.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 08-18-2005 2:33 PM]
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8/18/2005  2:34 PM
probably not
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8/18/2005  2:36 PM
Number 1, James Jones took 300 3 pt shots over his last 3 years at Miami, so his game coming into the pros is just an extension of what he did in college. Yes, he was able to play inside as well, but his lack of athletiscm prevents him from that in the pros.

he was actually a good shot blocker at Miami where he played PF and once he came into the pro's he was nt athletic enough or big enough to do the same thing. He's a good 3 pt shooter, thats what he is, a spot up 3 pt shooter and we dont need it
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8/18/2005  2:43 PM
I don't really care what he shoots if he is a good defender.

Nothing wrong with having a guy who can defend 3 positions and shoot the open 3. Question is can he defend? If there is a chance he can, then the LLE is worth finding out isnt it? He could fit into the Larry Brown system easily if he can defend and hit open tryes. Next thing you know he will be starting with Ariza backing him up and TT will be shipped out for something or just cut.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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8/18/2005  2:45 PM
Posted by Masterplan:

you can't call james jones a scorer or chucker, can you? don't criticize a guy for doing what he was asked to do by his team. he's long and athletic, and supposedly can play the 2 3 or 4 and is a good defender. if we brought him in, i don't think he'd demand the ball like steph or craw or TT, more of an ariza or malik rose role.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 08-18-2005 2:33 PM]


that is a crack of *****. James Jones takes a lot of 3s because that what he CAN do. He is a collge 4 converted to the nBA 3 and he lacks speed and athletiscm for the position. He can do some things, he can get in there and scrap a little bit, get some rebounds, but at the end of the day he's a spot up shooter who cant dribble.

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8/18/2005  2:45 PM
Posted by simrud:

I don't really care what he shoots if he is a good defender.

Nothing wrong with having a guy who can defend 3 positions and shoot the open 3. Question is can he defend? If there is a chance he can, then the LLE is worth finding out isnt it? He could fit into the Larry Brown system easily if he can defend and hit open tryes. Next thing you know he will be starting with Ariza backing him up and TT will be shipped out for something or just cut.


exactly
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8/18/2005  2:48 PM
Posted by simrud:

I don't really care what he shoots if he is a good defender.

Nothing wrong with having a guy who can defend 3 positions and shoot the open 3. Question is can he defend? If there is a chance he can, then the LLE is worth finding out isnt it? He could fit into the Larry Brown system easily if he can defend and hit open tryes. Next thing you know he will be starting with Ariza backing him up and TT will be shipped out for something or just cut.


just to give some people a clue, indiana is replacing him with a rookie drafted 17. why because granger can do MANY more things if jones was a good enough player, indiana would retain him or match a small offer, especailly with miller going bye-bye

hes good for pheonix, they could use a james jones, hes a redundancy here

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