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if the knicks are really that interested in james jones, why don't they try to workout a S+T for Ger
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BRIGGS
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8/17/2005  11:44 PM
ald Wallace? It might be a little more money, but so far Charlotte has been cheap with him. He still 23 and he really came on last year. he hustles, plays tremendous defense, hes an exceptional athlete, he can really rebound, hes got length he plays two miles above thr rim

james jones is an average athlete who had a couple of minutes during the season. Gerald Wallace played a consistent FULl season and even in part time minutes with a very good Sacremento team he showed much better than Jones.

If this guy is looking for 4-4.5 mm$--couldnt we do something with jackie butler and sundov in a S+T throw in 3mm cash and the SA pick for wallace signed to a 5 yr 22.5mm$ contract?
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8/18/2005  2:20 AM
I like Gerald Wallace. He can do everything but shoot.

He played against Ariza this year and they went at each other pretty good. Gerald is more nastier than Ariza but they are pretty much the same player.

I wouldn't mind getting him but James Jones makes more sense because he can actually shoot......If Gerald could shoot he would be a house hold name. Right now he is a more athletic, nastier version of Shandon Anderson.





[Edited by - enyspree on 08-18-2005 02:21 AM]
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8/18/2005  2:28 AM
Speaking of Shandon Anderson I can never forgive Gerald Wallace for getting dunked on by Shandon. One on one fastbreak......confrontation at the basket....Bam!!! One of the greatest dunks in Knick history.
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8/18/2005  2:30 AM
Isiah wants James Jones b/c he used to coach him on the Pacers. Hopefully LB intervenes and gets Wallace, that guy is a lockdown defender, something the Knicks haven't had in years.
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8/18/2005  2:40 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Speaking of Shandon Anderson I can never forgive Gerald Wallace for getting dunked on by Shandon. One on one fastbreak......confrontation at the basket....Bam!!! One of the greatest dunks in Knick history.

Funny.....I forgot about that play. Shows you the dunk isn't everything.

It's also a reminder of how aggressive Gerald is on defense.....Gerald is known for getting up there to protect the rim.

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8/18/2005  2:45 AM
You're right Enyspree. I'd take this guy because of his D mainly. I'm sure LB and Isiah are looking at all defensive minded players who work hard. Gerald falls into that category. He's a defenitely something to think about.
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8/18/2005  3:02 AM
My guess.. shooting.
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8/18/2005  8:02 AM
we have playmakers and scorers.. we need wing guys that can defend and board. He would be a perfect fit... only problem is we have nothing to offer aside from picks. Is TT, cash and a lottery protected picks going to get it done?
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8/18/2005  10:09 AM
Isiah never coached James, he didnt pick James, he had nothing to do with James. James is an all right player,that's it.
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8/18/2005  10:22 AM
I think 4.5 is too much IMHO. He's basically ariza with 3 more years under his belt. I'm more confident in Ariza's ability to develop a consistent mid range jumper at 20. At this oint, they have the same defensive ability IMHO.

But do we want to commit that much? This James kid is gonna cost like $1.5 right?
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8/18/2005  10:39 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I think 4.5 is too much IMHO. He's basically ariza with 3 more years under his belt. I'm more confident in Ariza's ability to develop a consistent mid range jumper at 20. At this oint, they have the same defensive ability IMHO.

But do we want to commit that much? This James kid is gonna cost like $1.5 right?


When you average 11 pts 5.5 reb 2 steals 1.3 blocks 2as and shoot 45% in 30 minutes at 22 years old 6-7 220 with a 40 inch vertical jump, you are worthy of a 5 yr 20-22 mm$ contract. In fact I think its very good money spent, the kind of contract that makes a lot of sense

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8/18/2005  10:39 AM
funny he hasn't been picked up yet. Why do you think that is?
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8/18/2005  10:44 AM
If I remember correctly Wallace had some attitude problems.
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8/18/2005  10:47 AM
so its OK to give a 30 year old that averages 5 points and 4 rebs $30mm and 5 years, but $4.5 is too much for a 23 year old uber athletic defensive wing player with a very solid all around game, thats twice as productive.

Why do I have a feeling the minute Isiah offered him $8mm (Mo Taylor money) you would be gushing about this guy?
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8/18/2005  10:49 AM
I love Wallace, but can we really afford to have him on the roster while we already have: Q, Ariza, Houston, Lee, TT, Penny, and Nate??? Where is the minutes for all of them will come from?
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8/18/2005  10:50 AM
two wrongs don't make a right...we have ariza and Q, I'm happy with that SF combo...anybody added to that depth chart should be CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.
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8/18/2005  10:54 AM
I like wallace a lot and I want a defender/player like him but a) we don't have the money/assets to sign or do a s&T for him and b) he won't wanna come to a team that's got 4 guys that can play the 2 and 4 that can play the 3. he probably won't get burn over Q, crawford, marbury, and nate in the backcourt and I think IT would want ariza to play over him since Ariza was our pick. If we get rid of Q or Crawford I'd be all for getting wallace. Maybe a three way deal with Denver where we get Nene or Camby and Wallace, give up crawford or Q, and Charlotte gets a pick from denver or us.
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8/18/2005  10:57 AM
LOL Gerald Wallace was the one that Shandone dunked on a couple of years ago... Now I remember him.
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8/18/2005  11:04 AM
It would be nice to get both Nene and GW....but will Denver even consider trading Nene????

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8/18/2005  11:05 AM
You had me at we get Camby...
Posted by nyballer:

Maybe a three way deal with Denver where we get Nene or Camby and Wallace, give up crawford or Q, and Charlotte gets a pick from denver or us.




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if the knicks are really that interested in james jones, why don't they try to workout a S+T for Ger

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