nobody wants the knicks to fail...people just don't agree that what Isiah is doing is always right. i think everyone on this board that doesn't like some of isiah's moves would much rather eat crow and watch the team win 50 games than say i told you so and see them have another dismal season.

what about when layden was wrecking our team, and everyone hated his moves? I'm sure then people would have been ecstatic if shandon and eisley played well and got us back deep into the playoffs. just because people say they don't like a move doesn't mean they want the team to fail because of it.

[Edited by - nyballer on 08-17-2005 5:45 PM]

perfectly stated nyballer...people wouldn't be posting here if they weren't Knick fans...to be a fan of a team you always want for them to succeed...to think any one of us want the Knicks to fail is ridiculous...you're allowed to disagree w/personnel moves & still be a Knick fan.

What exactly was the uproar about on yesterday when about half of the opinions were dead set against the waiveing of JYD... Without even trying to understand... the strategy...Hey not trying to burn no bridges just calling like i see it... still great to read post at this site...

Posted by knicksavvy:

Now that we know that IT knows what he is doing it's time for all knick fan to cool out and wait for a very possible exciting season. I don't know what it is but it seems like some of the so called Knick fans on this bourd is waiting and wanting for IT to fail so they can call him incompentant.... But every thing that IT has done has been thought out and planned... Yes some have failed... More has been successful No we have not won yet But give the Man some TIME

Don't worry, the anal whiners only represent a small percentage of posters here. They just post more than the ones who analyze situations instead of having the usual knee-jerk reactions.

The ones that want Isiah to fail are not fans. They are haters and are handled accordingly. There are too many real fans with clear views that don't let hate like that fly at all. Lately, even some of those fakers have been coming to their senses. Optimism is a powerful thing!

As you participate more on this board, you'll learn who the priceless true-blue fans and the worthless hypocrites are. Just stand by what you say, and root hard for our KNICKS!

Welcome aboard.


[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 08-17-2005 10:17 PM]

You know, when a good GM makes a move, you feel its a good move.

When a bad GM makes a move, you groan. Ive been very pro-Isiah, but Im rethinking my position. And there have been good moves, and there have been groans. There just seem to be more groans than not. And I feel many Knicks fans agree.

Sure Isiah is better than Scott Layden, but thats like saying Nsync is better than the Backstreet Boys. They both still suck.

To me Jerome James made me groan. Jerome Williams being cut (although I didnt know his injury) made me groan. Kurt for Q and Nate felt like an ok move at best. When we traded for Mo Taylor I groaned. When we traded for Malik and the 2 1st rounders I thought it was ok. Ive been groaning more than not.

I want to give the team a chance, but where are the good players? Where are the chemistry makers? Where are the defenders? Its hard to put together a team, but Isiah has made alot of questionable moves so far. I just dont know if I feel he has what it takes to run the team. And a part of me feels it all runs back to Dolan.

Man I wish P Diddy would buy the team already. LeBron would sooooo force a trade here in a minute. Oh well.

Posted by nixluva:

Well I actually agree with the original poster in that too many of you are big time critics of Zeke's moves and its not fair to be so tough on a guy who basically took over a ship with holes in the bottom and no life rafts.

Its been less than 2 full seasons and already he's added more good young players than we've ever seen on this team at one time. He's added a Hall of Fame Coach and STILL some of you can't give the man credit. How good was the Ariza pick when we expect NOTHING from that pick. How about Nate? You can't say that that isn't an exciting pick. He addressed our needs this offseason and he's shown the kind of patience that we needed. He didn't panic. Instead he stuck to his guns and got his Coach. He's still got exp. contracts and young players with which to make a deal if it comes about.

He's gottten bettter talent than he's given up in just about every trade he's made. now some of his moves didn't work out, but the idea was to try and improve and when you have basically NOTHING to give, you can't expect that you're going to get All Stars. No cap room and still he's found a way to get players we need. Will they all work out. Maybe not, but you know he won't stop til he gets this team where it needs to be. Better that, then sitting on his hands like Layden.

I just don't know how some of you can't see what's going on and how this team is headed in a better direction.

Don't mis-read the young movement, how silly is it to add 8 young players to your squad unless the are stars, that will be super stars, or super stars that are on the cusp of greatness, like kobe, kg, duncun, Lj, carmello, tracy, and amare.
Reguardless if ariza would have started or not, he's not a star drafty, nor is sweetny, fryer, or nate.

When you speak about young talant to build around, you need to start the rebuilding process with a shaq, TD, L, James, Ming, kind of player.

I have Never, ever , ever seen a young team do nothing other then flame out in the playoffs, or repeated trips to the to lottery, reguardless to who's coaching.

Isiah has accomplish 2 of the most important pieces to the puzzle, A super star PG, and a Hall a fame coach, everthing else has been super suspect to put it politely. The minute we get that leadership and dominate post up player at the 4 or 5 spot,
the stars and role players are 2nd nature, the league is saturated with those types.

knicks1248, good points on the youth movement. I'm thrilled we are much younger. It means we have guys that can get better, and more moveable players at worst.

That being said do we have one player really worth building around?

it is vague, as is the plan of our GM... I guess thats kinda the point. I just hope they play.

Posted by fishmike:

knicks1248, good points on the youth movement. I'm thrilled we are much younger. It means we have guys that can get better, and more moveable players at worst.

That being said do we have one player really worth building around?

How many of those guys are even in the League? The only sure fire winners are Duncan and Shaq. Outside of that none of those other guys has been able to Bring a title to their team. I do know that we can more easily duplicate what Detroit has done. We may not ever be able to grab a Superstar, but when you have a GREAT TEAM, you can still get the job done.

What a bunch of ingrates!!!! I happen to think that we have a high talent level with the guys we do have. You can't have 12 All Stars. You have to get players who fit your vision and at least we've been able to do that so far. Its not like this is yr 5 of the process, its been just under 2 years.

You don't even really know what these players are going to be yet. Its too dang early to know that for sure. I do think we know that they have a lot of talent. Just how high they'll go is still to be determined. You have to include LB in that talent pool as well. When judging this team as a whole its a much better situation than you guys make it out to be.

I do think we will be able to make a deal for someone in the future. That is the point of gettting all these good young players. You can't make deals if you have nothing to give. We have Exp. Contracts and attractive young players. If a team is looking to "Rebuild" and they want to clear salary, we can actually give them something for their Superstar. I can't believe how short sighted some of you are. You prove it with all your quick to be negative posts and then later when you get all the info you see that you may have been too hasty.