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djsunyc
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8/14/2005  3:20 PM
Abdur-Rahim signs with Kings
Deal worth less than reduced offer from Nets
Saturday, August 13, 2005
BY DAVE D'ALESSANRO

Shareef Abdur-Rahim rebounded quickly yesterday, signing a deal that can run as long as five years with the Sacramento Kings, though agent Aaron Goodwin conceded it wasn't as lucrative as the Nets' offer once the numbers are crunched.

The 6-9 forward was still deciding last night what terms he wanted from his deal with the Kings, who were offering the midlevel exception, the extra fund capped-out teams can use on free agents. If he went for the limit, he'd get a $29 million deal over the maximum five seasons.

"We're still talking about what we want to do," Goodwin said last night. "But he can (get five years)."

Here's the rub: The Nets' original offer to Abdur-Rahim was for six years and $38 million, but it was scaled back after medical reports indicated that he might experience knee problems. Both Goodwin and team president Rod Thorn confirmed that the second offer included four guaranteed seasons, but that the last two years would be guaranteed if Abdur-Rahim showed "no significant problems" through the first three years of the contract.

"And if he played two years without a problem, the fifth year would be guaranteed," Thorn said. "Basically, he only had to show up. But we're happy for him that he got a deal with Sacramento. Good for him. He's a terrific guy."

Goodwin said his client couldn't agree to the Nets' terms, and that the Kings were more amenable to removing stipulations.

"If there was something wrong with Shareef's knee, a team would want to protect itself on the back end (of a contract). You don't want to base it on performance in the first two years," he said. "So (the Nets' offer) didn't match the fear they had. It just made no sense.

"In fact, the Kings' physician (Richard Marder) said there's nothing wrong with his knee. He said he's seen a lot worse."

Washington and Chicago were also in play for Abdur-Rahim, while the Knicks tried without success to make a sign-and-trade deal for him.

"Isiah (Thomas) wanted in," Goodwin said, "But Shareef wanted to be in a position to compete and play his natural position."

Aaron McKie was waived by Philadelphia, perhaps enabling the Nets to fill another roster spot with an experienced swingman if the 11-year veteran is inclined to move a few hours East. McKie, cut under the amnesty provision (which enables teams to cut one player and avoid paying a luxury tax on his salary), still will be paid $19.5 million by the Sixers over the next three seasons. But the Nets can sign him for the veteran's minimum ($1.13 million) if he finds a role as backup to Vince Carter and mentor to Antoine Wright to his liking.

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djsunyc
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8/14/2005  3:23 PM
looks like zeke wanted to bring him in to be a SF.
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8/14/2005  3:33 PM
btw, THIS is how a team should be run.

there were question marks with SAR. everybody knows SAR would've been a TREMENDOUS help to NJ but thorn stuck to his guns and said this is what we're offering - take it or leave it.

so SAR left it.

see ya later.

no begging. no overpaying. no nothing.
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8/14/2005  3:34 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

btw, THIS is how a team should be run.

there were question marks with SAR. everybody knows SAR would've been a TREMENDOUS help to NJ but thorn stuck to his guns and said this is what we're offering - take it or leave it.

so SAR left it.

see ya later.

no begging. no overpaying. no nothing.

no championship.
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8/14/2005  5:28 PM
Well Thorn signed Kidd to a big deal and then Kidd went down with the Knee injury. He also signed Zo when he had as the kidney problems.....RJ is another one and so is Carter.

So Shareef is a guy he is afraid to sign because of knee troubles?

Thorn is a crafty GM but come on. They really needed Shareef. They could have still gotten Marc Jackson. Oh well.....as long as Kidd is in New Jersey I will hate that team.
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8/14/2005  5:30 PM
In fact, the Kings' physician (Richard Marder) said there's nothing wrong with his knee. He said he's seen a lot worse."

i'm still perplexed how one physician give passing marks while the other see a problem.....what gives?
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8/14/2005  9:02 PM
Posted by Bobby:
In fact, the Kings' physician (Richard Marder) said there's nothing wrong with his knee. He said he's seen a lot worse."

i'm still perplexed how one physician give passing marks while the other see a problem.....what gives?

difference of medical opinions. level of conservity versus risk. happens all the time in medicine.
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8/14/2005  10:02 PM
I just don't understand what wend down with the Nets. I mean if his knee is so bad how come he has never had problems with it before? How come the Kings don't care, at least for one season?

Are the Nets sayin that in 2-3 years his knee will act up? That's the only thing that I can think of that makes sense. And considering what kind of talent they could have put on the floor, I would have taken the risk of having him go down with a knee injury 2 years from now, considering he wasnt gettin that much money to begin with, it arent H20 contract they rescended from him.

[Edited by - simrud on 08-14-2005 10:02 PM]
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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8/14/2005  10:21 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Well Thorn signed Kidd to a big deal and then Kidd went down with the Knee injury. He also signed Zo when he had as the kidney problems.....RJ is another one and so is Carter.

So Shareef is a guy he is afraid to sign because of knee troubles?

Thorn is a crafty GM but come on. They really needed Shareef. They could have still gotten Marc Jackson.
I agree with everything you wrote.



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8/14/2005  10:25 PM
it could also be a case where ratner said no at the last minute based on his medical results.
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8/14/2005  10:54 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

btw, THIS is how a team should be run.

there were question marks with SAR. everybody knows SAR would've been a TREMENDOUS help to NJ but thorn stuck to his guns and said this is what we're offering - take it or leave it.

so SAR left it.

see ya later.

no begging. no overpaying. no nothing.

no championship.


what a coincidence, we don't have one either in the past 30+ years...at least the Nets have made the Finals twice in the recent past...it's great that you're a Knicks fan, but ragging on the Nets for not winning a championship is silly in our current situation.

[Edited by - TMS on 08-14-2005 10:57 PM]
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8/14/2005  10:56 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

btw, THIS is how a team should be run.

there were question marks with SAR. everybody knows SAR would've been a TREMENDOUS help to NJ but thorn stuck to his guns and said this is what we're offering - take it or leave it.

so SAR left it.

see ya later.

no begging. no overpaying. no nothing.

no championship.


what a coincidence, we don't have one either.

Ever?

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8/14/2005  10:56 PM
For a low price via sign and trade, there's nothing not to want about Shareef. He has flaws but he has many strengths too. At the very least, he'd be a nice combo forward off the bench. On our roster, he'd be good enough to start at either forward position (although SF would make more sense).
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8/14/2005  10:58 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

btw, THIS is how a team should be run.

there were question marks with SAR. everybody knows SAR would've been a TREMENDOUS help to NJ but thorn stuck to his guns and said this is what we're offering - take it or leave it.

so SAR left it.

see ya later.

no begging. no overpaying. no nothing.

no championship.


what a coincidence, we don't have one either.

Ever?


dude, were you even old enough to remember the last championship the Knicks won? please...i'd like to see 1 before i die, perhaps w/in the next 40 years or so...so far i don't see much movement towards one.
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8/14/2005  11:02 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:

btw, THIS is how a team should be run.

there were question marks with SAR. everybody knows SAR would've been a TREMENDOUS help to NJ but thorn stuck to his guns and said this is what we're offering - take it or leave it.

so SAR left it.

see ya later.

no begging. no overpaying. no nothing.

no championship.


what a coincidence, we don't have one either.

Ever?


dude, were you even old enough to remember the last championship the Knicks won? please...i'd like to see 1 before i die, perhaps w/in the next 40 years or so...so far i don't see much movement towards one.

Whether I saw it or not was not the point. Yeah, getting Larry Brown isn't moving towards a championship, good point.
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8/14/2005  11:03 PM
Maybe there actually is a problem with SAR's knee.
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8/14/2005  11:19 PM
Posted by Knight:

Whether I saw it or not was not the point. Yeah, getting Larry Brown isn't moving towards a championship, good point

whether you saw 1 or not IS the freakin point...don't go harping on the team's past success that you probably weren't even born to celebrate & go trashtalking on other teams who've had much better success in recent times cuz you sound stupid...but if you think getting Larry Brown is all it's going to take to get this team to a championship, maybe you just can't help it.
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8/14/2005  11:39 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Knight:

Whether I saw it or not was not the point. Yeah, getting Larry Brown isn't moving towards a championship, good point

whether you saw 1 or not IS the freakin point...don't go harping on the team's past success that you probably weren't even born to celebrate & go trashtalking on other teams who've had much better success in recent times cuz you sound stupid...but if you think getting Larry Brown is all it's going to take to get this team to a championship, maybe you just can't help it.

We were talking about how organizations were run--dj was bragging about the Nets who have never won a championship. I never even brought the Knicks into the discussion. Thanks for your thoughtful input though.
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8/14/2005  11:42 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Knight:

Whether I saw it or not was not the point. Yeah, getting Larry Brown isn't moving towards a championship, good point

whether you saw 1 or not IS the freakin point...don't go harping on the team's past success that you probably weren't even born to celebrate & go trashtalking on other teams who've had much better success in recent times cuz you sound stupid...but if you think getting Larry Brown is all it's going to take to get this team to a championship, maybe you just can't help it.

We were talking about how organizations were run--dj was bragging about the Nets who have never won a championship. I never even brought the Knicks into the discussion. Thanks for your thoughtful input though.

i'm not bragging b/c i'm not a nets fan. but thorn built the team that went to two straight NBA finals. not everyone can win it but getting to it still means you're doing a good f'n job.

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8/15/2005  12:41 AM
Posted by Bobby:
In fact, the Kings' physician (Richard Marder) said there's nothing wrong with his knee. He said he's seen a lot worse."

i'm still perplexed how one physician give passing marks while the other see a problem.....what gives?


This guy had Chris Webber on his squad, he has seen alot worse.
isiah wanted SAR (article)

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