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djsunyc
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8/14/2005  10:43 AM
Barkley heads list of overrated 'greats'
Charley Rosen / Special to FOXSports.com

The numbers are misleading, and so is the hype. The truth is that too many "good" players are wrongly celebrated as being all-time greats. To set the record straight, here's an alphabetical list of the most overrated NBA players ever.


Charles Barkley
The Round Mound of Rebound was never in acceptable game shape. But reporting to one Houston training camp 20 pounds overweight didn't prevent him from chastising his teammates for not being serious about challenging for the championship. Also, he only played defense when the spirit moved him — which was very seldom. These days, he complains about not having played with top-flight teammates — left unsaid, however, is the fact that Barkley's self-involved style of play did nothing to compliment whatever talents his teammates did have. Over the course of his career, Barkley's selfishness and total lack of discipline made him a chronic underachiever.


Walt Bellamy
He was lazy, sloppy, soft, selfish, defenseless, and useless in the clutch. The media called him "Big Bells," but his fellow players had another name for him — "Tinker Bell". His career averages of 20.1 points and 13.7 rebounds per game notwithstanding, what's Bellamy doing in the Hall of Fame?


Patrick Ewing
Had he played out of the spotlight in someplace like Orlando or Salt Lake City, Ewing would be remembered as a jump-shooting center who worked hard. Period. With the adulatory New York fans and media filtering their perceptions through the lens of their need to have heroes to celebrate, Ewing was celebrated as being far better than he really was. In truth, he couldn't handle, pass, move laterally, and do anything worthwhile when an important game was on the line. Moreover, his dim apprehension of what the game was all about precluded any thoughts of being unselfish. Except for the early days of the Mets and the Brooklyn Dodgers, New York sports fans rarely hitch their devotion to a loser like Ewing.


George Gervin
Double-G was a great scorer, smooth and virtually unstoppable. And that's all, folks. He couldn't (or didn't) pass, defend, or rebound. Gervin's idea of team basketball was when a teammate passed him the ball. Of necessity, his San Antonio teams played high-octane offense and flat-tire defense. That's why Gervin never played in a championship series.


Connie Hawkins
He could finish in spectacular ways, and he could make both plain and simple passes. Otherwise, he couldn't shoot, rebound, run, or play defense. How bad was the Hawk's defense? The first time he played in Madison Square Garden, the Suns tried to hide Hawkins' atrocious defense by matching him up with Dick Barnett. Too bad Barnett was so insulted by the ploy that he lit up Hawkins for 35 points. Also, nobody ever accused Hawkins of having a passion to play basketball: He once told the Suns that he couldn't play that night because he had a fever. A doctor was summoned, and Hawkins' temperature registered at 98.9. As a result, Hawkins felt justified to sit on the bench in his civvies. Hawkins was all flash and very little substance.


Elvin Hayes
He could do three things — rebound, block shots, and shoot a high percentage on turnaround jumpers from the left box. He couldn't pass, handle, play honest defense, or hit a clutch shot to get into heaven. In addition, he paid no attention to the basketball alphabet of Xs and Os. All he cared about was "me-ball-basket."


Karl Malone
I've been on this guy's case many times before, and for the same reasons. He found various ways to choke in the 1996 Conference finals and in the 1997 and 1998 Finals — missed free throws, damaging turnovers, ill-advised shots, losing gambles on defense, and so on. In addition, his passing skills and his defense were both overblown, and his assist-turnover ration was a horrendous 5:4. There are only two reasons why Malone is deemed to be an elite power-forward — John Stockton, and longevity.


Bob McAdoo
Here's all anyone needs to know about McAdoo's game: When he played against the Celtics, McAdoo was usually defended by Dave Cowens. Now Cowens was a legitimate tough guy who always played with intensity, power, and courage, and whose rough-house tactics on defense would often approach minor felonies. At the start of McAdoo's matchups with Cowens, B-Mac would assume his favorite position on the left box. Perhaps he'd even get a shot off. Perhaps he'd even get fouled. But Cowens would definitely assault him with elbows, knees, hips, forearms, and fists. By the middle of the first quarter, McAdoo would post-up five feet beyond the box. By the end of the fourth quarter, he'd be looking to receive the ball near the 3-point line. Anything to avoid contact. In other words, McAdoo was nothing more than a big, quick, soft, jump-shooter deluxe.


Pete Maravich
A one-man circus who wouldn't throw a pass unless it was behind the back or through the legs or in one ear and out the other. And his completion rate was barely above .500. His ball-hogging made him unpopular with his teammates, but scored big-time with the media. It's no accident that his teams were always pretenders and never contenders. It also says here that Maravich was the worst defender in NBA history.


Gary Payton
G.P. has always been a shoot-first point guard, favoring post-ups, open middles, and high-and-low screens to locate his shots. He was also a confrontational player, demanding perfection form his teammates and his coaches, but never from himself. Payton's reputation for playing outstanding defense gained him All-Defense honors for nine seasons, and a famous nickname, "The Glove." Even so, during the 1996 Finals, the Chicago Bulls set out to prove something that they already knew — that Payton's rep was mostly bogus. In lieu of playing solid contain defense, Payton routinely gambled for steals at every opportunity, and when he failed he put his teammates in jeopardy. The Bulls limited Payton's room to maneuver by posting Michael Jordan, who had little difficulty catching, shooting, driving, and generally having his way against G.P. Payton's game was, and is, less than meets the eye.


David Robinson
This guy was a cream puff. He could come from the weak-side to block shots, but he couldn't guard his own man. He could rebound, but rarely in a crowd. He could score, but only on foul-line jumpers, or only if a defender bought a head fake after he drove his left hand into the middle. He couldn't pass or handle. He couldn't stand his ground in the paint. And, according to one of his ex-coaches, he never worked on his game in the off-season simply because he really didn't like playing basketball. Had he not played alongside of Tim Duncan, The Admiral would have been lost at sea.
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8/14/2005  10:46 AM
Patrick Ewing
Had he played out of the spotlight in someplace like Orlando or Salt Lake City, Ewing would be remembered as a jump-shooting center who worked hard. Period. With the adulatory New York fans and media filtering their perceptions through the lens of their need to have heroes to celebrate, Ewing was celebrated as being far better than he really was. In truth, he couldn't handle, pass, move laterally, and do anything worthwhile when an important game was on the line. Moreover, his dim apprehension of what the game was all about precluded any thoughts of being unselfish. Except for the early days of the Mets and the Brooklyn Dodgers, New York sports fans rarely hitch their devotion to a loser like Ewing.

first off, there's a HUGE contingent of fans that didn't like ewing. secondly, taking your team to 2nd round and farther almost every single year is not an easy task. it's amazing how people can just spew out biased journalism like this without any reprecussions. oh well, it's his opinion but the more and more op-ed pieces like this that's posted every day the less and less credibility ANY of these journalists get.

if you're not an all around player, you're overrated i guess. so KG is probably #1 on his all time list. too bad my man can't get past the 1st round, unlike every single one of those players he mentioned above. this writer is a JOKE.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 08/14/2005 10:49:15]
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8/14/2005  11:17 AM
This writer really does sound like a hater. He talks about Patrick like he din't work hard here in NY. Number 33 played his azz off for this team, and sensiible fans give him the props he's due.

This fool saying crap like:

"With the adulatory New York fans and media filtering their perceptions through the lens of their need to have heroes to celebrate, Ewing was celebrated as being far better than he really was."

shows just how much he doesn't know. The media and (some) fans alike constantly criticized Patrick, but he still gave us 20 and 10 in blood, (a WHOLE LOT of) sweat, and tears. THAT is what Knicks fans celebrate about Patrick.

Charley Rosen just needs to shut up and go sit the hell down somewhere.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 08/14/2005 11:27:25]
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8/14/2005  11:25 AM
Ooh, Charley Rosen didn't get any the night before he had a deadline for this article!!!

I'm nominating Charly for Snit-ass Gay Robot of the Month!!!!
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8/14/2005  11:28 AM
Posted by Marv:

Ooh, Charley Rosen didn't get any the night before he had a deadline for this article!!!

I'm nominating Charly for Snit-ass Gay Robot of the Month!!!!

LMAO!
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8/14/2005  11:28 AM
Why here's a picture of Charlie celebrating the submission of his latest article:

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8/14/2005  11:34 AM
When people write about players being "overrated" I always wonder whose rating they are using as a basis. There is this invisible "overrater" who everyone likes to criticize when they need to write an article. I think most fans already know the strengths and weaknesses of the legends and don't turn these players into gods.

[Edited by - Knight on 08/14/2005 11:34:36]
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8/14/2005  11:37 AM
I would like to know which players the writer like.
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8/14/2005  11:38 AM
I really hate this guy. He's always got his nose planted firmly in Phil Jackson's ass. What a SHOCKA that Jordan beat most of the guys on this list (Barkley, Payton, Ewing, Malone).

But riddle me this Charlie: if all these supposed superstars were really overrated, that means Jordan never beat anyone good in a Final, so how can Jordan be the best ever (as Charlie also claims) if the only REAL superstar Jordan ever beat in the Finals was an aging, sick Magic Johnson? Sounds like ole Jordan might be a little overrated. See how stupid that sounds? These guys are almost all uniformly great players.

I REALLY hate Rosen.


He's a blathering moron tit face. There is no NBA writer I despise more than this schlup.
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8/14/2005  11:38 AM
Posted by DarkKnicks:

I would like to know which players the writer like.

He likes any players Phil Jackson likes.
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8/14/2005  11:40 AM


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8/14/2005  11:44 AM
Wow and you guys think I'm bitter and a hater? This guy could really use a hooker.

Ewing never did anything worthwhile when an important game was on the line??? Like Game 6 in 92 against the Bulls? Like Game 7 of the ECF's in 94 when he had 24 pts and 22 rebs. If anything I thought Ewing was too unselish because he didn't demand the ball enough in big games and he was always willing to pass out of double teams instead of constantly taking bad shots.

As far as Barkley goes, he made some good points about his not being at his best and underachieving. Unlike Ewing who worked his ass off and left everything he had on the court.
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8/14/2005  11:49 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Wow and you guys think I'm bitter and a hater? This guy could really use a hooker.

Ewing never did anything worthwhile when an important game was on the line??? Like Game 6 in 92 against the Bulls? Like Game 7 of the ECF's in 94 when he had 24 pts and 22 rebs. If anything I thought Ewing was too unselish because he didn't demand the ball enough in big games and he was always willing to pass out of double teams instead of constantly taking bad shots.

As far as Barkley goes, he made some good points about his not being at his best and underachieving. Unlike Ewing who worked his ass off and left everything he had on the court.

Wow, can't believe I like a post from Isles!
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Posted by djsunyc:
Patrick Ewing
Had he played out of the spotlight in someplace like Orlando or Salt Lake City, Ewing would be remembered as a jump-shooting center who worked hard. Period. With the adulatory New York fans and media filtering their perceptions through the lens of their need to have heroes to celebrate, Ewing was celebrated as being far better than he really was. In truth, he couldn't handle, pass, move laterally, and do anything worthwhile when an important game was on the line. Moreover, his dim apprehension of what the game was all about precluded any thoughts of being unselfish. Except for the early days of the Mets and the Brooklyn Dodgers, New York sports fans rarely hitch their devotion to a loser like Ewing.

first off, there's a HUGE contingent of fans that didn't like ewing. secondly, taking your team to 2nd round and farther almost every single year is not an easy task. it's amazing how people can just spew out biased journalism like this without any reprecussions. oh well, it's his opinion but the more and more op-ed pieces like this that's posted every day the less and less credibility ANY of these journalists get.

if you're not an all around player, you're overrated i guess. so KG is probably #1 on his all time list. too bad my man can't get past the 1st round, unlike every single one of those players he mentioned above. this writer is a JOKE.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 08/14/2005 10:49:15]

i would give credit to Knick coaching for how they did in the playoffs, and as much as i love ewing, everything this guy said about him is true.
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8/14/2005  1:45 PM
if these guys are overrated, where's scottie pippen? I think he is one of the most overrated players in recent history.
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8/14/2005  2:12 PM
Rosen is a crackhead.

The comment on Ewing was not even the worst in that article.

Really getting tired of these no knowledge clowns somehow having their jobs.
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Posted by jaydh:
Posted by djsunyc:

first off, there's a HUGE contingent of fans that didn't like ewing. secondly, taking your team to 2nd round and farther almost every single year is not an easy task. it's amazing how people can just spew out biased journalism like this without any reprecussions. oh well, it's his opinion but the more and more op-ed pieces like this that's posted every day the less and less credibility ANY of these journalists get.

if you're not an all around player, you're overrated i guess. so KG is probably #1 on his all time list. too bad my man can't get past the 1st round, unlike every single one of those players he mentioned above. this writer is a JOKE.

i would give credit to Knick coaching for how they did in the playoffs, and as much as i love ewing, everything this guy said about him is true.

huh?

name one perennial allstar that ewing played with while advancing in the playoffs every year? seriously. what, oakley made the all star game once? twice? starks once? a 20/10/2 player THAT WON. he is not overrated. in fact, he was UNDERRATED and UNDER APPRECIATED here in new york.

that same coaching staff got eliminated in the 1st round w/o ewing and one only 1 game in the finals in '99.
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8/14/2005  4:56 PM
how many e-mail response can charlie generate is his obvious agenda, and taking dumb *** shots at players is his other. he goes the extra step by saying

New York sports fans rarely hitch their devotion to a loser like Ewing.

not only does this idiot degrades one of the great knick players of all time he insults new york sport fans and their devotion......what a shmuck
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8/15/2005  8:11 AM
Posted by nyballer:

if these guys are overrated, where's scottie pippen? I think he is one of the most overrated players in recent history.
Now you are talking. Dominique Wilkins was a much more dominant player than he was and he willed his team into the playoffs year after year in spite of having weak supporting casts. He should have been on the olympics and he should have been one of the 50 greatest not Scottie. When Scottie was in Portland, he did nothing to stop their collapse in game 7 of the WCF against LA, and he had 6 rings. If ever there was an overated player it was Scottie. Not that he wasn't very good and extremely talented, but he didn't step up so many times and would have been nothing without Jordan around.

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8/15/2005  8:58 AM
This guy's perception of reality is a little off. Ewing took the Knicks to two NBA Finals, lost in two conference finals and never had the refs on his side when jordan and the bulls were in the building.....

Granted Ewings clutch performances barely exist, he needed some extra help, Starks was good but did brick in the NBA finals, against the Heat when the entire Knicks team was suspended Ewing did put up 37 and 16, only to have little to no help from his teamates.......

Killa, Scottie was a better all around player than Nique period, had Bevetta not called that foul on pippen the knicks would have lost in 6 games to a Jordanless bulls squad that one over 50 games with pippen as their leader
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