You all know my previous arguements for why I belive trading Crawford is something you have to consider, if not now, then sometime during the season.

Granted, if he suddenly proves he can take a backseat under Brown and be the pass-first, defensive-minded PG that we need and that Larry covets, then I'm ALL for keeping him. But some players are who they are, and this might very well be the case.

Now...name some players we all know Isiah likes -- Crawford, Frye, Mighty Mouse, JO, and Al Harrington. Big "not so Gay" Al played under Isiah in Indiana, and he is said to still be very fond of him. In fact, I think he tried to trade for him last year. Anyway, 2 things we're lacking on this team are rebounding and man-to-man defense. I'm not saying Harrington is a great defender, but he is def. average, and when you look at our roster, there aren't many "average" defenders. Harrington, however, IS a great rebounder. He's a tweener for sure, but the guy averaged 9 boards a game last year. With Q Rich at SG, and Harrington at SF, there would be quite a few mismatches.....for the OTHER team. If Harrington can play the way he did in Indy, that would bode VERY well for us.

Some of you, though, are straight up against trading Jamal, and I can semi-understand. But when I look at Harrington, I see a guy that has simply done it before. He's shown what he can be on a CONSISTENT basis - and that's aggressive, athletic, tough, and unselfish. Crawford hasn't shown us or anyone else anything but flashes of greatness, but nothing more than that. As far as I'm concerned, Jamal, much like Harrington before him, is the type that is "star hungry". But while Harrington's experiment in Atlanta has been dubious at best, we've ALL seen before what he can do in a structured environment. Crawford had that chance under Skiles, just like Al did under Thomas, but never made anything of the opportunity.

Without further adue, my last Jamal Crawford Deal...


NEW YORK Recieves:

Al Harrington
Tony Delk
Fut. 2nd (Atlanta)

CHICAGO Recieves:

Mike Sweetney
Jason Collier
Jackie Butler
Fut. 2nd (Atlanta)

ATLANTA Recieves:

Eddy Curry (3 Yr. / ~ 18 Mill.)
Jamal Crawford




Keep in Mind: This is contingent on 2 things - Duhon resigning with Chicago, and the Joe Johnson deal going through for Atlanta.

Also, some of you may or may not think it's fair for all or some of the teams involved, but I def. think a 3-way like this could happen, b/c all team have a real interest here - the Hawks have too many Forwards and could really use a combo guard to play next to JJ, and they're obviously still looking at Curry as their starting Center...the Bulls desperately need some frontcourt help, and Paxson isn't budging on the 1 yr. MLE offer to Curry....and for us, besides getting Harrington, we get a player in Delk who is a combo guard himself known for shooting a high 3-point % and playing hard-nosed D, just like Larry Brown likes.



Tentative 05-06 Knicks Roster

CENTERS: James, Rose, Frye
POWER FORWARDS: Taylor, JYD, T. Thomas, D. Lee
SMALL FORWARDS: Harrington, Ariza
SHOOTING GUARDS: Q Rich, Delk
POINT GUARDS: Marbury, Nate


[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 08/09/2005 17:11:36]

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 08/09/2005 23:37:47]

from a ny standpoint this is a good trade but i would hold on to see how crawford does during the season

i dont see why chicago doew it

Man you are a persistant little bugger. The biggest problem I have with the trade is that NY is getting the very short side of the trade. Harrington has a year left on his contract and could walk, NY is still over the cap so its not like his walking away we could say that we will use the money elsewhere, talent wise and age wise this is a bad deal too. To me that deal serves no purpose for the Knicks other than to get rid of Crawford and Sweetney. Who in opinion will outlast Brownbag on this team.

is Bob......Playa?

Come on, throwing Jackie Butler in their is comedic. Do you really think he has any value whatsoever?

The funny thing about hypothetical trade proposals is that if it seems we are getting a better deal people ask "Why would the other team do that" and if the other team seems to be getting a better deal people ask "Why would we do that?" and if the value is equal people ask "What's the point? It's not going to make us that much better." It's kind of a waste of time, but I don't mean to offend anyone.

[Edited by - Knight on 08/09/2005 16:56:37]

You guys don't get it.


Chicago has LIMITED choices here. They can do 1 of 3 things:


If Atlanta chooses to make a contract offer to Curry, they can either match it, let him walk, or orchestrate a S&T. Now, Paxson has made it pretty clear he's not budging on the 1 year MLE offer, so matching anything over that is out of the question. And they COULD simply let him walk, but then they'd have BIG frontcourt issues to address, and no PF's out there worthy of signing to big money. The last option would be to suck it up, admit defeat, and sell low. Bringing in a package of Curry, Collier, Butler or David Lee, and maybe a pick (Atlanta send the 2nd Rounder to them instead of us), and Chicago would have no other choice BUT to accept.

Remember, this all depends on if Atlanta makes an offer sheet for Curry. If they do, (and it will def. be a better offer than Paxson is willing to give), then Chicago can simply let him walk, or engage a S&T. But they def. WON'T be getting equal value back. The only reason they get anything at all is so that Atlanta can ENSURE that Curry is theres for the taking.

I'll slightly revise the trade - Chicago gets the 2nd Rounder. Not us. I know - big whoop.

Posted by Stevo718:

Crawford will be better than Harrington, mark my words.

Tony Delk or a bag of chips... what's the difference?

And you're basing that on what....? B/c as far as I've seen, Harrington has been better so far, and by a considerable margin. Harrington has shown he can be effective in a structured system...Crawford def. hasn't. Also we don't need another premier playmaker next to Marbury. We need rebounding and defense. Harrington is atleast an average defender, whereas Crawford is less than average at best.

And again...what is with you KNick fans shortchanging veteran players? Delk once hit for 50 in Pheonix. Not to say he's that young anymore (he's 31), but the guy stays in shape, and is EXACTLY what Brown likes in a player - he's experienced, defensive-minded, usually pass-first, and can stroke the 3.



[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 08/09/2005 18:03:41]

you don't get it. how many times do I or anyone else have to explain this?


The most the Bulls are offering Curry at this point is a 1 year MLE deal. You understand that - ONE year, FIVE mill.....that's it. no more, no less.

Obviously that heart condition is playing a pretty BIG part in what kind of contract he's gonna get. If Atlanta offered him 3 years/18 Million, Curry would be insanely fortunate, b/c as it's looking now, he won't be getting much from Chicago. With that said, the Bulls don't have the upper hand in Curry's fate. If he signs an offer sheet with Atlanta, Paxson's not gonna match. So either he lets him go and allows the Hawks to take on the risk of overpaying him, or they take whatever they can get in a S&T...

- Read most of the thread, it helps.

Posted by bobs3304:

you don't get it. how many times do I or anyone else have to explain this?


The most the Bulls are offering Curry at this point is a 1 year MLE deal. You understand that - ONE year, FIVE mill.....that's it. no more, no less.

Obviously that heart condition is playing a pretty BIG part in what kind of contract he's gonna get. If Atlanta offered him 3 years/18 Million, Curry would be insanely fortunate, b/c as it's looking now, he won't be getting much from Chicago. With that said, the Bulls don't have the upper hand in Curry's fate. If he signs an offer sheet with Atlanta, Paxson's not gonna match. So either he lets him go and allows the Hawks to take on the risk of overpaying him, or they take whatever they can get in a S&T...

- Read most of the thread, it helps.

first of all, don't start in w/me w/the attitude just because i don't think your idea is realistic...i didn't knock your idea for the hell of it...i've told you before that i AGREE w/your idea that a Crawford of Harrington type trade makes alot of sense for both teams...you just need to tweak that trade package in my opinion.

Posted by bobs3304:

exactly how should I tweak it.


I'm all ears.

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 08/09/2005 19:46:38]

hey kid...if you want my respect, respond in kind...otherwise **** off & don't waste my time.