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crzymdups
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7/31/2005  4:28 PM
Interesting. I prefer Craw over Q, I think Craw has a far higher ceiling on both offense and defense. Using he and Marbury as dual PGs isn't really that different from what Herb did.

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Asked if he will do the same with Marbury, Brown said: "I don't know. I grew up when you had two guards, two forwards and a center. I would love that. Not put any one guy totally responsible. The growth of all the players would be more dramatic.

"You'd give the ball to your two-guard once in a while. It would make [Jamal] Crawford better if he handled it a little bit."

Brown wants his point guard to pass early in the shot clock and trust that it will find its way to the best player. But Marbury often looks to drive first and then, if he has no shot, kick to the open man. Because Crawford has point guard experience, it sounds as if Brown wants to get away from labels and play a system in which the ball moves but Marbury still gets his shots.

Marbury and Crawford also will be expected to focus more on defense. Brown worried about Quentin Richardson's ability to defend some of the top two-guards in the league, suggesting he might come off the bench behind Crawford.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spmarb314366133jul31,0,6249036.story?coll=ny-knicks-print
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gunsnewing
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7/31/2005  4:35 PM
crawford and marbury have no chemistry. their strengths don't compliment each other. Q can shoot and post up and not get overmatched by bigger SGs. The only reason to start Marbury and Crawford is to play steph at SG at times which imo is stupid

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/31/2005 16:36:35]
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7/31/2005  4:36 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

crawford and marbury have no chemistry. their strengths don't compliment each other. Q can shoot and post up and not get overmatched by bigger SGs

Chemistry takes time and a consistant message from the coaching staff. Steph and Craw have had neither. Craw has a higher ceiling. Q is a nice backup.
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7/31/2005  4:44 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Using he and Marbury as dual PGs isn't really that different from what Herb did.

It's not any different then what Herb did but how well did that work? The Knicks won 33 games doing that, change is needed.
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7/31/2005  4:52 PM
Yet another reason why Crawford needs to be dealt.
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7/31/2005  6:35 PM
wait a second...LB talking about craw possibly starting??!??!

i thought he was getting traded?
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7/31/2005  6:40 PM
I disagree.
Posted by gunsnewing:

crawford and marbury have no chemistry. their strengths don't compliment each other.
[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/31/2005 16:36:35]
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7/31/2005  6:41 PM
I think this is kind of opposite of what LB was saying, but then again, you never know what you are talking about.

Not suprised.

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Posted by bobs3304:

Yet another reason why Crawford needs to be dealt.
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7/31/2005  6:45 PM
Q for nene + voshon.

we can either keep voshon for depth or waive him and pick up that new mexico cat from summer league.
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7/31/2005  7:29 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

Q for nene + voshon.

we can either keep voshon for depth or waive him and pick up that new mexico cat from summer league.
Well I'm not mad at that at all, but I would like to see what happens first with our squad. But you can't be mad at acquiring NeNe except that hes a PF but can obviously play C as well.
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7/31/2005  8:40 PM
Marbury and Crawford in the backcourt will end up making Brown nuts.

Trust me on that. He'll find out soon enough.


IF we're trading Q or Crawford for Nene, assuming he's even on the block, we'd have to throw in a 1st Rounder too (might even have to be unprotected). The Nuggests could get a far better package then just Q in the first place...
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7/31/2005  9:07 PM
the lines are in from vegas...34 days and 3 hours is the line on the next time bobs will post something other than "trust me dude, crawford should be traded."

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07/31/2005 21:07:46]
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7/31/2005  9:50 PM
I doubt Crawford is the one that gets traded. Larry Brown wanted Jamal when he was a coach in Philly.

If Jamal plays the point his defense will pick up. Also this allows Marbury to play the off guard and score. Jamal avg 16 and 6 when he played the point before. I think making Jamal a point guard is a good move. Marbury could play like Wade if he played the sg instead of the point. I think you guys are really sleeping on Jamal's point guard abilties. He is a better passer and more creative passer than Marbury.
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7/31/2005  9:51 PM
If Jamal doesn't substantially change his game, Larry will go crazy after about 20 games and start Q.
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7/31/2005  9:55 PM
I think you guys are really sleeping on Jamal's point guard abilties. He is a better passer and more creative passer than Marbury.

I agree wholeheartedly. Still hate playing the 6-2 Marbury at SG though
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7/31/2005  10:13 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
I think you guys are really sleeping on Jamal's point guard abilties. He is a better passer and more creative passer than Marbury.

I agree wholeheartedly. Still hate playing the 6-2 Marbury at SG though

marbury is 6'2 and built like a tank, the bulls play gordon at the sG quite a bit and do well, and gordon is not as big as marbury. If you can play, you can play, and marbury would create some interesting matchups....
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7/31/2005  10:26 PM
Marbury and Q is a more formidable backcourt unit as a oppose to MArbury and Crawford.

Crawford is a 6'6 but has a physique of a PG. Usually when those two are playing, the opposing guard is killing crawford with his strength and size..

Q is one of the finest rebounding guards in the NBA.. He also has a punishing post up maneuver where he can take advantage base on his size, 6'6 230 pds..

MArbury and Q will become one of the finest backcourts in the east. All they need to do is play defense and they're set..
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7/31/2005  10:26 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
I think you guys are really sleeping on Jamal's point guard abilties. He is a better passer and more creative passer than Marbury.

I agree wholeheartedly. Still hate playing the 6-2 Marbury at SG though

Listen, If Jamal is playing the point he is going to give pg's hell trying to guard him and even put many pg's in foul trouble. On the defensive end, Jamal has long arms and can stay with even the fastest pg's guards that Marbury might have problems with. Also if Marbury plays the 2 guard don't think many of those 2 gaurds won't have problems guarding Marbury also. If Larry Brown surrounds Jamal and Marbury with defense players in the frontcourt it will not matter if Marbury man beats him occasionally because our frontcourt will pickup the slack. Our team lost last 24 games by about 6 points. Not because our backcourt was awful.

I think Larry Brown is going to stack defensive players around Jamal and Marbury. There is already rumors that Larry Brown wants Reggie Evans. If you noticed Larry has not really said anything about Q. Jamal is a real point guard. His court vision is good. People are looking at Jamal at the 2 guard, however when Crawford plays the point he plays more under control.


[Edited by - BigC on 07/31/2005 22:35:38]
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7/31/2005  10:30 PM
you can look at it like Q may be better coming off the bench.

with craw and steph starting - you have 2 guys that can handle the ball, create the offense, AND score. they will be interchangeable and neither will be relied upon to carry the full load here.

defensively, we're all hoping their athleticism translates into good team defense.

now, you bring Q into the game, with either craw or steph and his responsiblity will be to be instant offense (like the microwave). craw/steph can set him up for him to score. he can stay outside or he can post up. so his role as a scorer may work better off the bench.

just one way to look at it tho.
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7/31/2005  10:31 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Marbury and Q is a more formidable backcourt unit as a oppose to MArbury and Crawford.

Crawford is a 6'6 but has a physique of a PG. Usually when those two are playing, the opposing guard is killing crawford with his strength and size..

Q is one of the finest rebounding guards in the NBA.. He also has a punishing post up maneuver where he can take advantage base on his size, 6'6 230 pds..

MArbury and Q will become one of the finest backcourts in the east. All they need to do is play defense and they're set..

However here is the question who do you think will be a better scorer at the 2 guard Marbury or Q. Rich? I would say Marbury.
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