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bobs3304
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7/30/2005  7:49 PM
No matter how you cut it, Jamal Crawford, (or as I like to call him, J to the C), is a PG, pure and simple. Isiah would like to think of him as a combo guard b/c of his height, but Isiah says alotta things, like "We're rebuilding". Funny Isiah, I never knew you could rebuild with the highest payroll in basketball. I guess you really do learn something new everyday.

Anyway, there are a number of teams still in need of a starting PG, and the following is a list of those teams:

LA
ATL
BOS
CLE
HOU
UTA
POR - (only b/c Chad Ford thinks so)


And here are the possible trade scenarios with those teams. Keep in mind that this is based on need and not necessarily preference on either end:

1.) Crawford, Fut. 2nd FOR Al Harrington

2.) Crawford FOR Mark Blount, Marcus Banks (or Fut. 1st)

3.) Crawford FOR Eric Snow, Fut. 1st

4.) Crawford FOR David Wesley, Fut. 1st

5.) Crawford, Taylor FOR Jumaine Jones, Brian Grant, Fut. 1st

6.) Crawford, JYD (or Rose) FOR Ratliff, Fut. 1st

7.) Crawford FOR Matt Harpring, Fut. 1st



Do you see a pattern there? Basically every trade above is in attempt to slash $$ and bring in a defensively-solid player.

Anyway, decide which of those 7 you like best and why. If you don't like any, say exactly why instead of "Me don't likey."



[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/30/2005 19:50:09]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  7:53 PM
crawford and Sweetney + rose, JYD or Taylor take yoyr pick! FOR Odom

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 19:54:36]
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7/30/2005  7:55 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

crawford and Sweetney + rose, JYD or Taylor take yoyr pick! FOR Odom

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 19:54:36]

oDOM'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  7:58 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by gunsnewing:

crawford and Sweetney + rose, JYD or Taylor take yoyr pick! FOR Odom

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 19:54:36]

oDOM'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

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7/30/2005  8:01 PM
I'm going to go with the Al Harrington deal or the Theo Ratliff one. I think the Al Harrington gives the most talent in return, I don't like alot of the other guys you mentioned in these trades but I get the premise of them all; defense. As much as Jamal isn't a Larry Brown type of player, he still is quite a talent and a good NBA player, I don't think the Knicks should give him up for just some run of the mill players. I think the best talent we recieve back is Harrington and then after that is a distant second, Theo Ratliff. Ratliff would provide some really good defense downlow for the Knicks but would he take away from the run and gun style? I dont know, but his defense would be nice. Give me Al Harrington if we're trading Jamal.
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7/30/2005  8:04 PM
why do we need Harrington? he's not much better than Sweetney right now and he's not really a PF. Sweetney could be better. Crawford will be better under Larry Brown. Crawford is better than Quentin Richardson. He can penetrate and create. He just needs to know when to pull the trigger. And Scott Skiles is not Larry Brown

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 20:05:49]
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Posted by gunsnewing:

why do we need Harrington? he's not much better than Sweetney right now and he's not really a PF. Sweetney could be better. Crawford will be better under Larry Brown. Crawford is better than Quentin Richardson. He can penetrate and create. He just needs to know when to pull the trigger. And Scott Skiles is not Larry Brown

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 20:05:49]

Harrington is a SF by trade. He was playing PF in Indiana and Atlanta because of players already at SF. Scott Skiles is a no-nonsense guy and does not like players like Jamal. Look at Ben Gordon in the final game of the Wizards/Bulls playoffs series last year, Gordon came in played out of the offense and Skiles BENCHED HIM FOR the final 3.5 quarters in the deciding game. Skiles runs things his way, alot like Larry Brown and Skiles couldn't stand Jamals game. If Skiles can't then Larry's definately not going too.

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7/30/2005  8:16 PM
did this need ANOTHER thread?

crawford is better than EVERY player mentioned above. we don't know how everything will work under brown. why not WAIT a little bit and see how the players respond to brown before we start FIFTEEN TRADE CRAWFORD threads every day? seriously. why give up on someone that talented and has SHOWN a willingness to learn? hey, if he flops and just doesn't "get it", then he'll be gone. but as of right now, he's probably the most UNTOUCHABLE knick to isiah - and even without all of that, i want to see how he reacts to someone like LB.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07/30/2005 20:19:47]
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7/30/2005  8:24 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by gunsnewing:

why do we need Harrington? he's not much better than Sweetney right now and he's not really a PF. Sweetney could be better. Crawford will be better under Larry Brown. Crawford is better than Quentin Richardson. He can penetrate and create. He just needs to know when to pull the trigger. And Scott Skiles is not Larry Brown

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 20:05:49]

Harrington is a SF by trade. He was playing PF in Indiana and Atlanta because of players already at SF. Scott Skiles is a no-nonsense guy and does not like players like Jamal. Look at Ben Gordon in the final game of the Wizards/Bulls playoffs series last year, Gordon came in played out of the offense and Skiles BENCHED HIM FOR the final 3.5 quarters in the deciding game. Skiles runs things his way, alot like Larry Brown and Skiles couldn't stand Jamals game. If Skiles can't then Larry's definately not going too.

If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck... BY GOD ITS GOTTA BE A DUCK.

let's not herald skiles like he's LB. this guy ran JKIDD outta town. his credibility is shot.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07/30/2005 20:25:06]
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7/30/2005  8:29 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by gunsnewing:

why do we need Harrington? he's not much better than Sweetney right now and he's not really a PF. Sweetney could be better. Crawford will be better under Larry Brown. Crawford is better than Quentin Richardson. He can penetrate and create. He just needs to know when to pull the trigger. And Scott Skiles is not Larry Brown

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 20:05:49]

Harrington is a SF by trade. He was playing PF in Indiana and Atlanta because of players already at SF. Scott Skiles is a no-nonsense guy and does not like players like Jamal. Look at Ben Gordon in the final game of the Wizards/Bulls playoffs series last year, Gordon came in played out of the offense and Skiles BENCHED HIM FOR the final 3.5 quarters in the deciding game. Skiles runs things his way, alot like Larry Brown and Skiles couldn't stand Jamals game. If Skiles can't then Larry's definately not going too.

If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck... BY GOD ITS GOTTA BE A DUCK.

let's not herald skiles like he's LB. this guy ran JKIDD outta town. his credibility is shot.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07/30/2005 20:25:06]

Jason Kidd has had a problem with every single Coach he has had. JKidd to me has no credibility. He ran Byron out of town in a very bad manner and he also forced the Nets to sign Alonzo Mourning to that terrible deal. Don't bring Jason Kidd into this becuase he's KNOWN as a coach-killer. Thats not a good title to have, it also goes along with wife-beater.
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7/30/2005  9:21 PM
Al Harrington for Craw would be awesome. Harrington is a small fwd that plays defense and can score all over the court.....and reboun, rebound, rebound. He would benifit from Larry Brown and Marbury. Isiah loves the kid too.

If that isn't a deal that should get done I dunno what is. I'm a Craw fan but the Knicks can get another shooting guard easy. There are still a few good names out there that could fill in as a back up.

Atlanta actually needs to trade Harrington....they have too many swing players. Craw would be the closest thing they would have to getting a decent point guard. ATL would love him too.

[Edited by - enyspree on 07/30/2005 21:24:06]
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7/30/2005  9:23 PM
BOB.. Do you watch baskteball games or just post about stuff that's written? Crawford is an immensely talented off-guard. He is so far from pure PG, its not even funny. Crawford is immensely talented. I'd like to see how he responds to Brown, while his trade value is built. Pure point guard? Funny.
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Posted by rain:

BOB.. Do you watch baskteball games or just post about stuff that's written? Crawford is an immensely talented off-guard. He is so far from pure PG, its not even funny. Crawford is immensely talented. I'd like to see how he responds to Brown, while his trade value is built. Pure point guard? Funny.

When did I EVER say Crawford was a pure PG. You're just like Ross, you fail to actually read my posts. I said Crawford is at his best when he's playing the point, breaking down the defense, and distributing the ball.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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Whatever......Craw for Al.....let's get it done!
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7/30/2005  9:31 PM
Posted by rain:

BOB.. Do you watch baskteball games or just post about stuff that's written? Crawford is an immensely talented off-guard. He is so far from pure PG, its not even funny. Crawford is immensely talented. I'd like to see how he responds to Brown, while his trade value is built. Pure point guard? Funny.

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7/30/2005  9:34 PM
ROFLMAO!
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by rain:

BOB.. Do you watch baskteball games or just post about stuff that's written? Crawford is an immensely talented off-guard. He is so far from pure PG, its not even funny. Crawford is immensely talented. I'd like to see how he responds to Brown, while his trade value is built. Pure point guard? Funny.

oh rain, stop being such a HOMER
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7/30/2005  9:40 PM
I would also trade JC for Al Harrington. The guy is a bruiser who plays defense. He ain't a genius but he boards and shoots a high percentage. His game isn't selfish either. Indiana didn't want to trade him but he wanted to start desperately.
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7/30/2005  9:44 PM
that's another issue, I think the way the team is constructed, it'll be easier finding minutes for Ariza than worrying about harrington complaining about not starting.

Can we possibly just trade one, or two, of our PF's for him? Or Penny's expiring and a draft pick?

I mean, why thin out our back court?
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7/30/2005  9:47 PM
In what WORLD is Jamal Crawford considered a purer point guard than Deron Williams (UTA) or Bassie Telfair (POR). LOL.

Crawford is a SG who can dribble drive and penetrate. He needs to put on some weight, and he CAN play the point, but there's no way most of those teams would trade for him.

Also, I'm so tired of this line:
"We're rebuilding". Funny Isiah, I never knew you could rebuild with the highest payroll in basketball. I guess you really do learn something new everyday.

it's dime a dozen WFAN crap. Anyone who takes a good look at the Knicks roster is going to realize that the Knicks were capped out beyond belief until Allan's deal ended anyway. Most of the salary on the roster goes to Houston, Penny, Tim Thomas - all three will be gone by season's end.

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Posted by crzymdups:

In what WORLD is Jamal Crawford considered a purer point guard than Deron Williams (UTA) or Bassie Telfair (POR). LOL.

Crawford is a SG who can dribble drive and penetrate. He needs to put on some weight, and he CAN play the point, but there's no way most of those teams would trade for him.

Also, I'm so tired of this line:
"We're rebuilding". Funny Isiah, I never knew you could rebuild with the highest payroll in basketball. I guess you really do learn something new everyday.

it's dime a dozen WFAN crap. Anyone who takes a good look at the Knicks roster is going to realize that the Knicks were capped out beyond belief until Allan's deal ended anyway. Most of the salary on the roster goes to Houston, Penny, Tim Thomas - all three will be gone by season's end.

Crawford is not a SG. A SG doesn't shoot 39% A shooting guard makes his shots from everywhere and anywhere on the court. Crawford has no midrange game, he doesn't post up, is too skinny to take it to the hole but he shoots 39% mostly from 3 and he can penetrate and dish and push the ball and he was a PG his entire career in Chicago, albeit one that needs a lot of work but at 25 his game is only now coming together just like Larry Hughes did.
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