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BRIGGS
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7/30/2005  7:48 PM
that means if ariza does break out and some team offered him 250,000 more than the MLE--if he is proven to be worth it, he will nOT be a knick

from now on if we have a 2 and we like the player--we need to follow the lines of what other teams are now doing 2 years guaranteed 2 years optioned

If Ariza plays like a world beater this year, he will NOT likely be a Knick next year.

We may have a real problem @ SF--TT is ending and Ariza will be unkown--

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7/30/2005  7:52 PM
is this definite?


and if so, FUCK!
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  8:01 PM
well lock him up via the LLE right now.
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7/30/2005  8:02 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

that means if ariza does break out and some team offered him 250,000 more than the MLE--if he is proven to be worth it, he will nOT be a knick

from now on if we have a 2 and we like the player--we need to follow the lines of what other teams are now doing 2 years guaranteed 2 years optioned

If Ariza plays like a world beater this year, he will NOT likely be a Knick next year.

We may have a real problem @ SF--TT is ending and Ariza will be unkown--

don't worry he won't play like a world beater this year if ever. He'll be lucky to get playing time over TT, JYD & Lee
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7/30/2005  8:04 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by BRIGGS:

that means if ariza does break out and some team offered him 250,000 more than the MLE--if he is proven to be worth it, he will nOT be a knick

from now on if we have a 2 and we like the player--we need to follow the lines of what other teams are now doing 2 years guaranteed 2 years optioned

If Ariza plays like a world beater this year, he will NOT likely be a Knick next year.

We may have a real problem @ SF--TT is ending and Ariza will be unkown--

don't worry he won't play like a world beater this year if ever. He'll be lucky to get playing time over TT, JYD & Lee

Why will be lucky? He showed last year he can play, I think he'll definately get his fair chance to prove himself on the court.
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7/30/2005  8:13 PM
As dj just said and as I said in the other thread, we better lock him up now with the LLE. Larry Brown will love Ariza and there is definitely a chance Ariza could be our full time starting SF by the end of the season.
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7/30/2005  8:48 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

that means if ariza does break out and some team offered him 250,000 more than the MLE--if he is proven to be worth it, he will nOT be a knick

from now on if we have a 2 and we like the player--we need to follow the lines of what other teams are now doing 2 years guaranteed 2 years optioned

If Ariza plays like a world beater this year, he will NOT likely be a Knick next year.

We may have a real problem @ SF--TT is ending and Ariza will be unkown--

Dude, BRIGGS, I love your pessism sometimes. They made a "Gilbert Arenas" rule. Teams CANNOT, repeat CANNOT sign a second round pick at the of their two year deal to more than the MLE. This means no one can sign Trevor to more than the MLE. Everyone chill. I was actually very relieved to see this. Trevor is a Knick for as long as we want him.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36511/20050706/new_labor_rule_should_safeguard_ariza/


edit: whoops, I misread the post.

Briggs, do you have a link for this? I havent seen anything about this in writing.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 07/30/2005 20:50:03]
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bobs3304
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7/30/2005  8:51 PM
dude that article is 3 weeks old...


the point is that the Gilbert Arenas rule was never fully agreed upon in writing, and now they apparently just did away with it.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  8:52 PM
well, I have an article. where's yours?
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7/30/2005  8:54 PM
crzy, thats an old article and there has been talk that they took the Arenas rule out, plus, no one has seen the arenas rule included in the CBA in the version they have been explaining online
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7/30/2005  8:54 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

well, I have an article. where's yours?


is your article 3 weeks old?


b/c mine isn't. it hasn't been released yet, b/c its RECENT news.
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7/30/2005  8:56 PM
I'm not buying it. I want to see an article on this RECENT STORY.
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7/30/2005  8:56 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

well, I have an article. where's yours?

Go look at the new agreement, it shows everything that was introduced. there is NO Gilbert arenas rule ANYWHERE. there IS an AMNESTY clause--maybe they bargained it out and that was dropped.
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7/30/2005  8:59 PM
Posted by s3231:

crzy, thats an old article and there has been talk that they took the Arenas rule out, plus, no one has seen the arenas rule included in the CBA in the version they have been explaining online

I just think it's such a minor detail that most fans wouldn't care enough about to warrant mentioning it. Think: the only teams that care/know about this rule to begin with are: Knicks, Jazz, Cavs, Wiz, GSW. It's not a big issue. Not when there are bigger issues like shorter contracts, age limit, etc.

I'm not buying that this stipulation isn't in the CBA until I see something that expressly states that it is not. It's exclusion from AP news stories and the like does not mean it doesn't exist, it means no one cares except us and a few other super fans.
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7/30/2005  9:00 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:

well, I have an article. where's yours?

Go look at the new agreement, it shows everything that was introduced. there is NO Gilbert arenas rule ANYWHERE. there IS an AMNESTY clause--maybe they bargained it out and that was dropped.

you've seen the actual CBA? or are you refering to the ESPN stories on this?

look, even the realgm dudes don't know if the Arenas rule didn't make it in.
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7/30/2005  9:03 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2120167

not in there
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7/30/2005  9:04 PM
Ariza did not get better if you watched the summer league.

I feel what you are saying about Arenas....if you take a look at GS they made sure that won't happen again by over stocking the guard position they have there.

David Lee is a nice guy to have on the depth chart but the Knicks lack a perimeter player that can score in between. Ariza has no scoring ability outside of an open dunk or open jumpshot. David Lee didn't shoot the ball from the perimeter once in any of the summer league games I saw.

Bottom line....Ariza showed promis and he is a guy that you have to keep around.....but....you simply can't base the future of the franchise on one or two guys. You have to continue to make the overall team better.
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7/30/2005  9:08 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2120167

not in there

Originally crappily reported by ESPN:


"Among the details:"


AMONG! It's not complete! It's an OVERVIEW. I'm sorry, but unless someone EXPRESSLY states to me that it's not in there, I'm not buying this. There has not been ANY mention of the deal points changing since the sides agreed. They were hammering out the fine print and determing the actual salary cap. Not changing agreed upon points.


this is from NBA.com
Q. Second question is, has the issue of being able to re sign your own second round picks, has that been address, and if so, how?

BILLY HUNTER: Yes. I think that's the Gilbert Arenas situation.

COMMISSIONER DAVID STERN: Yes, that if a player if a team has its mid level, recognize I'm a little bit beyond my supply line, Russ is back in New York, but let me just say that if a player if a player is on the team, a second round pick and that team wishes to retain that player by matching another offer, it must have its mid level exception available. If it does, the first year of any offer by another team to such a second round draft pick must begin with a mid level exception number and then can proceed to the full free agent contract, which gives a team the ability to match its own free agent even if it is a second round, even if he is a second round draft pick.

http://www.nba.com/news/cba_trans_050621.html






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7/30/2005  9:10 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Ariza did not get better if you watched the summer league.

I feel what you are saying about Arenas....if you take a look at GS they made sure that won't happen again by over stocking the guard position they have there.

David Lee is a nice guy to have on the depth chart but the Knicks lack a perimeter player that can score in between. Ariza has no scoring ability outside of an open dunk or open jumpshot. David Lee didn't shoot the ball from the perimeter once in any of the summer league games I saw.

Bottom line....Ariza showed promis and he is a guy that you have to keep around.....but....you simply can't base the future of the franchise on one or two guys. You have to continue to make the overall team better.

Dude, were you watching the same summer league I was? He was coasting, but whenever he wanted to do something, he did it at will.

Thank god for the Arenas rule.
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7/30/2005  9:14 PM

this is from a month and a half ago! i told you the problem they were having ratifying the CBA
was the division between the owners on the amnesty and gilbert arenas rule. Mark Cuban said it. Obviously they came to agreement on the amnesty

and scrapped the arenas. Think logically, why would they NOt announce something so big as arenas, yet tell you you can put a player in the nbdl?
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