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7/30/2005  2:12 PM
BROWN HAS KNICKS ON THE DEFENSIVE

By MARC BERMAN

July 30, 2005 -- Jerome Williams said he believes Larry Brown's presence will be a "wakeup call" for a Knicks team that never put its heart into defense.
Williams said he believes he'll be able to buy into Brown's message. But "The Junkyard Dog," who was more critical of the Knicks' defensive demeanor than the former coaching staff, wonders if his teammates will respond.

"I know for a fact I'm definitely the type of player that when he talks, I can actually commit to everything he says in terms of playing as a team first and playing defense first," Williams told The Post. "That's my claim to fame. Getting a coach like this, I'm really looking forward to it.

"But it'll be a wakeup call. A lot of guys, they want to play defense but don't know how to commit themselves. It takes a kind of coach that will yell to get his point across or they're going to sit. He's not going to allow anyone not to give 100 percent on both ends of the court. That's where he makes his mark."

Malik Rose also fits the Brown mold. However, Jamal Crawford, Tim Thomas and Maurice Taylor never have made their marks as defenders, or as unselfish, hit-the-open-man guys. Stephon Marbury, awful defensively last season and who sat out practices resting his knee, remains an issue.

Allan Houston, whom Brown coached as an assistant in the 2000 Olympics and mentioned a few times during his introductory press conference Thursday, is expected to talk imminently with the new Knicks coach. Houston still is not running full speed, and Brown could be the one to convince him to retire. Houston declined comment yesterday.

Rose said he believes he's already played for Brown, but his coach went by a different name: San Antonio's Gregg Popovich, one of Brown's closest allies.



"I'm happy about it," Rose said. "Larry and Popp are the same person, with the same defensive philosophy and sharing the ball. Anybody could see that if they watched The Finals [between the Spurs and Pistons]."

Brown hinted he'd like to see more roster changes, to see if the Knicks can do more than adding free-agent center Jerome James, whom the Knicks plan to officially introduce at a press conference Monday. Isiah Thomas wants to add a big power forward and has pursued Antoine Walker in a sign-and-trade with Boston, but Walker may not be Brown's type of player: all offense, no defense.

Williams said he expects practices to be different.

"We didn't make the playoffs," Williams said. "During shoot-arounds, practices, I attribute it to not being focused enough in our preparation. If you want to be on the court long in practice, you've got to show the coach what he wants to see. If we don't show Larry enough, he has no time schedule. His schedule ends when he figures out what he wants you to show him."
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7/30/2005  2:41 PM
Many interesting things:

First, I love JYD and am very happy he said what he said. Its true he is a Brown type of player, we have all seen him play great defense. If we turn into a contender, he will be a very important role player.

I like how he talked about our team. Its true that there are some players that don't play good defense here but read very closely what he said. He said there are many players that want to play defense, but just don't committ to it. I believe Crawford is one of those guys. A coach like Brown is just what Crawford needed to get his career going. Crawford hasn't realy had a good coach to help him get his game straight. In Brown he will have a teacher that will hopefully see his vast talent and get him to work hard on defense and his shot selection. Larry may want to trade him once in a while because Craw will make his mistakes. But I believe that Crawford may be the biggest x-factor with Brown: he could either be the first player traded by him or become a real superstar.

Rose has to be very excited about the Knicks landing a coach like Larry. He was very frustrated by coming to NY, but he could soon have a title run with NY. Not this year, but soon.

Interesting point about Allan Houston and Larry Brown. At first I thought that Larry talking about Allan was a sign that we could keep him in NY. But then he talks about Brown convincing him to retire. I don't know about that, but if he does it will be so much better than excercising the amnesty clause.

It looks like Larry isn't against the signing of James, at least reading between the lines. Even recovering I think he will give Isiah some ideas about trades this offseason. It will be very interesting to see if Brown can make James work hard and finally make his potential become reality. We'll see...
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7/30/2005  2:46 PM
Crawford had Skiles for 2 season. Last time I checked, Skiles led the Bulls to the playoffs for the first time in a VERY long time.

Skiles, like Brown, is a very demanding coach, especially defensively. Crawford didn't respond to the challenge then, and I don't believe he will now. It took Brown a few years to get AI to change, and Marbury will be just as much if not more of a challenge. And you expect him to get through to Crawford TOO???


I just can't see it happening. Larry doesn't mind taking on Marbury, but he needs SOME starters to already be in the mold of what he likes in a player.

If Crawford stays, he's gonna get limited action.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  2:51 PM
Skiles dosn't have a third of the credibility Larry Brown had.

Skiles had nothing but glowing remarks to say about Marbs in Phoenix.
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7/30/2005  2:53 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Skiles dosn't have a third of the credibility Larry Brown had.

Skiles had nothing but glowing remarks to say about Marbs in Phoenix.



your point is.....


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  2:56 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

It took Brown a few years to get AI to change, and Marbury will be just as much if not more of a challenge.

Iverson and Steph don't even compare as far as a challenges go. Iverson didn't even want to come to practice. That's the huge difference. There is no way Steph is more of a challenge than AI. How can you impliment a system when your star player doesn't even come to practice on and sometimes not at all? That goes to show you how good Philly could have been if Iverson was professional. Steph has never been accused of being unprofessional when it comes to practices and preparation.
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7/30/2005  2:56 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Skiles dosn't have a third of the credibility Larry Brown had.

Skiles had nothing but glowing remarks to say about Marbs in Phoenix.



your point is.....
I really don't think there will be a problem with Marbs.
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7/30/2005  3:50 PM
Marbury will be a challenge for Brown, just like AI was as far as buying into his system.

Stop takign it lightly, b/c it's gonna be rough at first. But Marbury should, and hopefully will be, his only real challenge, b/c in order to win, we need the rest of ours starters or atleast most of them to be reliable players, guys that Larry can mold. Crawford is not that type. Ariza is. Nate is. Lee is.


Btw, Marbury struggled in Pheonix under Skiles just like Crawford did in Chicago. Coincidence? I think not. These are two guys that just aren't structured the way Larry would prefer. But Marbury is also the heart and soul of the team, and that's not something you just throw away.

Crawford is expendable, and hopefully will be dealt to a team that will give him more freedom. And just for the record, I still don't understand your love affair with him, as if he's the difference b/w the lottery and the playoffs. He's a scorer, no doubt, but so is pretty much everyone else on the team. We need defense-able players in the worst way, and at the very least Crawford is a tradeable asset, unlike Marbury and Taylor.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  4:15 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Interesting point about Allan Houston and Larry Brown. At first I thought that Larry talking about Allan was a sign that we could keep him in NY. But then he talks about Brown convincing him to retire. I don't know about that, but if he does it will be so much better than excercising the amnesty clause.

yea, thats what caught my eye the most. I hope they don't make Allan too depressed by feeding him all this "you're done, you should retire". But if he does, all the better since i think he's shot. Would we even use the amnesty rule if allan retires? and can it stop being call the Allan Houston Rule(like hes the only bad contract out there) if he retires?
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7/30/2005  4:16 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Crawford had Skiles for 2 season. Last time I checked, Skiles led the Bulls to the playoffs for the first time in a VERY long time.

Skiles, like Brown, is a very demanding coach, especially defensively.


c'mon, skiles hasnt proven anything yet. are you saying that skiles is as good of a coach as larry?
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7/30/2005  4:26 PM
Why would I say that? All I'm saying is that Skiles is a solid coach who preached defense, and Crawford didn't prove anything there. Either did Marbury in Pheonix, but Marbury isn't going anywhere. He's the heart of the team.

If anything, Brown coming in spells more trouble for guys like Crawford and Taylor than if it were Skiles, b/c Brown is now the center of attention, the main man, and what he wants he will most likely get.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  4:39 PM
The thing about Marbury & Crawford was they were going to play big mins no matter what. They had nobody to really threaten there mins. Herb Williams did pull Crawford for Jackson once for Defense though at the end of the season.

With Nate Robinson I think they will either play defense with more focus or there mins will get cut.
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7/30/2005  4:47 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Crawford had Skiles for 2 season. Last time I checked, Skiles led the Bulls to the playoffs for the first time in a VERY long time.

Skiles, like Brown, is a very demanding coach, especially defensively. Crawford didn't respond to the challenge then, and I don't believe he will now. It took Brown a few years to get AI to change, and Marbury will be just as much if not more of a challenge. And you expect him to get through to Crawford TOO???


I just can't see it happening. Larry doesn't mind taking on Marbury, but he needs SOME starters to already be in the mold of what he likes in a player.

If Crawford stays, he's gonna get limited action.

i think you bring up fair points about Craw & Skiles...i also happen to feel that it's in our best interest to trade either Craw or Marbury, because i'd like to see Q starting at SG to give up mismatches.
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7/30/2005  4:57 PM
Crawford's the odd man out b/c there's no way Isiah deals Marbury now with Larry here.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  5:51 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Crawford's the odd man out b/c there's no way Isiah deals Marbury now with Larry here.

i've said this many times before, but i think a Crawford for Al Harrington trade is our best bet...it would balance out our roster nicely...maybe add in Sweetney in exchange for a future protected 1st round pick from ATL to make it more appetizing for ATL...they need some more bulk in their frontcourt anyway, & we have a glut of PF's as it is.

C - James / Butler
PF - Harrington / Rose / JYD
SF - TT / Ariza / Lee
SG - Q / LLE free agent (Jon Barry?)
PG - Marbury / Nate
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